Suicide at West Coast Armory in Bellevue?

[triehl27]

I'm gonna follow up on what TabFry posted as reading through these six pages I noted the exact same thing. Two VERY similar usernames same start up time. Family Members? And a son that came to bolster the claim.

The Patch story could have been written right out of the quotes in these six pages. Easily, throw a name in of a known officer and bang, there you have it. There are no NEW confirmable facts in the Patch story. Sure, there are a couple of Items that make it MORE dramatic. "Planned" "Unnamed Witness" But again ALL the basic statements are the same ones as were posted on here by our two new posters.

It's easy to quote someone, why just the other day I was talking to Danica Patrick, she was telling me how hard an impact she took in her last crash into the wall and how the following car took out her left side door and almost went up over the hood of her car. I was shocked at how different she is with out the make up and GoDaddy poses.

Did I really? Who knows, sure all of the above happened, but it could have be gathered through video, and photos. Danica may have told me or told a camera.

The point is there is nothing new in the Patch story, just some dramatic inclusions. There needs to be cross referenced conclusive stories. It what makes them believable as confirmed, the DIFFERENT facts that pop up in different stories of the same event, because no two people see it the same way.

By the way we are DAYS out of this incident, Next of Kin should be done within 24hours, so why is there no name released to this and why no Company confirmation? Heck when Champion took it in the teeth, their manager came on with explanations.

If it is true, then I would have some serious issues with a company willing to cover up a DEATH at their facility. Starts me questioning integrity.

Gun Deaths are a hot button topic now. This should be all over the news.

I'm not calling this one way or the other, but I am playing devils advocate on a VERY Hot Button Topic.

 

[wm2957]

Why?

I don't post to forums often, but I've been lurking here for a couple years. I find most posts fun, interesting, and educational. This one has been quite a ride.

I'm not calling anyone a liar or troll. I'm also not jumping on board with an unsubstantiated claim of such a tragedy. I say 'unsubstantiated' only because we haven't yet received official reports to such an incident. The Patch, while informative of local happenings, is making a report based on claims of 'a man' that I suspect is one of our new posters.

It's interesting that both wm2957 and wa1478 have such similar handles. Perhaps these are generically generated by OCDO, but neither took the time nor efforts to think of a unique name? Also, take a look at the writing styles of both posters. If I were an English professor, I'd suspect they were the same person.

Wm2957 says over and over again how traumatic the event was for he and his children. I'm sure such an event would be traumatic, I don't doubt that. Maybe it's therapeutic to talk about it, but I'm not sure arguing your point here is the best way to get counseling.

My question is, Why? Why try to convince us, an anonymous group of people on the internet, that such an event took place? Wm2957, you're trying really hard to make us believe. That, in and of itself is odd. It seems like someone is getting the attention they are starving for.

If the event in question is genuine, I pray for the family left behind and those in attendance to witness such a tragic event.

I will answer your question...why. It is because I found a similar odd occurance as my kids have found. I am new to this site because when I "google'd" the subject to see which media picked up on this story, only this thread referenced the story. The 1st post mentioned that he heard a rumor about the shooting at West Coast Armory. I only signed up for this site so I could post saying that I was there and that it isn't a rumor. The other two people that signed up did so similarly. One guy that I had only just met at the gun safety class where this took place wrote in I assume because he has done the same thing as me and only found this site talking about it. The 3rd person is my Son, who felt it necessary to sign up to this site to defend me. The main reason why is two fold. One - i find it cathartic for me to write about it. It helps me....probably the writer in me. But the other reason is because my kids are going through hell dealing with this stuff as it is, and the media supressing the story is adding to their stress. My Son's boss implied that he "made up" the excuse he used to call off because he couldn't find it in the media. My daughter, who called off from school was getting flack from friends who couldn't find it on the internet either. I don't know why the media chose to ignore something so huge as this, but they did. I do find it interesting that the MSM being Liberally biased and a constant thorn in my side, being a Conservative, now appears to be the only believable source for convincing any of you that it even occurred. You are waiting for a FOIA reply to come back, but it is only the Bellevue PD giving you the same answer as is in the article written by the Bellevue Patch.

 

[Grapeshot]

--snipped--. You are waiting for a FOIA reply to come back, but it is only the Bellevue PD giving you the same answer as is in the article written by the Bellevue Patch.

True, but it won't be a 2nd hand "he/she said". Rather it will be a direct contact reply over the "signature" of a known, authorized person.

 

[wm2957]

Here are Some of the Feedback I am getting from MSM

I'm gonna follow up on what TabFry posted as reading through these six pages I noted the exact same thing. Two VERY similar usernames same start up time. Family Members? And a son that came to bolster the claim.

The Patch story could have been written right out of the quotes in these six pages. Easily, throw a name in of a known officer and bang, there you have it. There are no NEW confirmable facts in the Patch story. Sure, there are a couple of Items that make it MORE dramatic. "Planned" "Unnamed Witness" But again ALL the basic statements are the same ones as were posted on here by our two new posters.

It's easy to quote someone, why just the other day I was talking to Danica Patrick, she was telling me how hard an impact she took in her last crash into the wall and how the following car took out her left side door and almost went up over the hood of her car. I was shocked at how different she is with out the make up and GoDaddy poses.

Did I really? Who knows, sure all of the above happened, but it could have be gathered through video, and photos. Danica may have told me or told a camera.

The point is there is nothing new in the Patch story, just some dramatic inclusions. There needs to be cross referenced conclusive stories. It what makes them believable as confirmed, the DIFFERENT facts that pop up in different stories of the same event, because no two people see it the same way.

By the way we are DAYS out of this incident, Next of Kin should be done within 24hours, so why is there no name released to this and why no Company confirmation? Heck when Champion took it in the teeth, their manager came on with explanations.

If it is true, then I would have some serious issues with a company willing to cover up a DEATH at their facility. Starts me questioning integrity.

Gun Deaths are a hot button topic now. This should be all over the news.

I'm not calling this one way or the other, but I am playing devils advocate on a VERY Hot Button Topic.

Hi Bill,
Thanks for your emails.
I believe Matthew Santos contacted you earlier this week.
It was our understanding that you didn't want to talk to us on-camera about the experience?
We are challenged in our medium to do stories like this without interviews.
I look forward to hearing from you!
Kelli

Kellie Cheadle
Multi-Platform Content Manager
KING 5
(206) 448-4551 phone

We didn’t know about it but certainly will look into it. Police routinely do not report suicides.

Thanks for the tip

from Scott Sunde @ Seattle PI

Reporter Levi Pulkkinen will be trying to reach you about this. The medical examiner confirms it. The Bellevue police will not discuss it. So your comments would help. Thanks

levipulkkinen@settlepi.com

206-448-8348

 

[Tabfry]

Bill, I hope you don't feel like I'm challenging your character since that's not the case. It's actually a good 'problem' that many here don't simply hear a report/rumor and run with it as truth. Many here want confirmation before they believe, and in turn, repeat a story they hear. Getting confirmation can be tricky in a suicide case. The media doesn't often tell us of suicides in order to curb copycats. It's the same reason we're never told how much money is taken by a bank robber. The cops and media, rightfully so, don't want to encourage the act.

It seems that you're working so hard to get the media to carry this story. King5, Seattle PI, The Patch...

 

[wm2957]

yes

Bill, I hope you don't feel like I'm challenging your character since that's not the case. It's actually a good 'problem' that many here don't simply hear a report/rumor and run with it as truth. Many here want confirmation before they believe, and in turn, repeat a story they hear. Getting confirmation can be tricky in a suicide case. The media doesn't often tell us of suicides in order to curb copycats. It's the same reason we're never told how much money is taken by a bank robber. The cops and media, rightfully so, don't want to encourage the act.

It seems that you're working so hard to get the media to carry this story. King5, Seattle PI, The Patch...

Yes. I am. Like I said in my little diatribe....it is causing additional stress upon my kids that it isn't in the media. Maybe you guys don't get this. I probably wouldn't either from your POV. I suppose it is part of the closure process for me to have this thing validated. I can't explain fully why. Maybe I should just stop writing to this blog. It seems as though some of you are becoming annoyed at my determination to see this through. And some of you will not be convinced no matter what is done. I will probably reach my end of posting on this thread soon.

 

[FrayedString]

The media doesn't often tell us of suicides in order to curb copycats. It's the same reason we're never told how much money is taken by a bank robber. The cops and media, rightfully so, don't want to encourage the act.

Bolding and underlining added by me.

If the media knows that reporting on these sensational things will encourage copycats, why do "mass/rampage" shootings get 24/7 coverage for weeks on end?

/rant

 

[OC for ME]

It seems that a suicide occurred, ME confirms, it seems. The juicy details are lacking and this gives some folks a little pinch in their back-side.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

The Patch story could have been written right out of the quotes in these six pages. Easily, throw a name in of a known officer and bang, there you have it. There are no NEW confirmable facts in the Patch story. Sure, there are a couple of Items that make it MORE dramatic. "Planned" "Unnamed Witness" But again ALL the basic statements are the same ones as were posted on here by our two new posters.

It's easy to quote someone, why just the other day I was talking to Danica Patrick, she was telling me how hard an impact she took in her last crash into the wall and how the following car took out her left side door and almost went up over the hood of her car. I was shocked at how different she is with out the make up and GoDaddy poses.

AHHHHHHH I get it. Now the reporter is a liar.


Well, if you think everyone you talk to is a lair, then YOU must ALWAYS be right.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

Bolding and underlining added by me.

If the media knows that reporting on these sensational things will encourage copycats, why do "mass/rampage" shootings get 24/7 coverage for weeks on end?

/rant

Profit.

 

[wm2957]

The Seattle Post Intelligencer

AHHHHHHH I get it. Now the reporter is a liar.


Well, if you think everyone you talk to is a lair, then YOU must ALWAYS be right.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Man-kills-self-at-Bellevue-gun-safety-class-4354804.php

 

[Grapeshot]

Yes. I am. Like I said in my little diatribe....it is causing additional stress upon my kids that it isn't in the media. Maybe you guys don't get this. I probably wouldn't either from your POV. I suppose it is part of the closure process for me to have this thing validated. I can't explain fully why. Maybe I should just stop writing to this blog. It seems as though some of you are becoming annoyed at my determination to see this through. And some of you will not be convinced no matter what is done. I will probably reach my end of posting on this thread soon.

No reason to leave. Put everything in perspective and continue with OCDO.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

If it is true, then I would have some serious issues with a company willing to cover up a DEATH at their facility. Starts me questioning integrity.

Ya think? They have denied it.

Another gun forum deleted a thread about this incident, my guess is at the behest of the range. What does that say about their integrity.

But to be fair, I had no naive delusions before this happened, so I'm not surprised in the least.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Man-kills-self-at-Bellevue-gun-safety-class-4354804.php

But, but bu bu....

That's just a local rag run by one person.

ROFLMAO.

 

[bmg50cal]

At the very least the Patch and WCA are getting free advertizing.

 

[Flopsweat]

It's on the PI site now: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Man-kills-self-at-Bellevue-gun-safety-class-4354804.php

 

[Grapeshot]

It's on the PI site now: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Man-kills-self-at-Bellevue-gun-safety-class-4354804.php

And they have put a name to the victim, but w/o further information.

 

[wm2957]

Funny

But, but bu bu....

That's just a local rag run by one person.

ROFLMAO.

LMAO....That's funny Dave. Thank you for being unbiased through this. I think the seattle PI should be somewhat credible to the blog members. Now the question remains: Why was this story covered up by most MSM sources? What other stories have happened that were also covered up? If any of you take anything out of this, it is.....Don't trust that everything that happens gets reported.

 

[Alpine]

Here's the Komo news version:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...n-at-Bellevue-gun-safety-class-198073701.html

 

[slapmonkay]

Off the phone with Carla Iafrate Public Information Officer, I had called yesterday and left a message. Confirmed.

I should have FOIA documents before too long.