Suicide at West Coast Armory in Bellevue?

[Dain Bramage]

Good Lord. Moving to WA this summer...

The wet feeling you get between your fingers after you arrive here eventually goes away. Well, that's a lie. Your brain just gets tired of transmitting "wet, wet, wet..."

 

[Dave_pro2a]

I think some just didn't like that west coast armory seemed to be spreading 'misinformation' about the incident (employees were quoted as denying it occurred)... And some other forum seemed to be actively suppressing it by deleting threads.

So thanks to those who witnessed the event, for their candor in sharing about what happened... And for responding to MY solicitation for information.

They didn't randomly register and post, but rather information was REQUESTED and they responded (and got crap from many for doing so).

 

[Dave_pro2a]

OK, here is what has given the tint.
After 2 tours in Viet Nam as a corpsman with the USMC, I had many close friends that I watched die, some of them as I was trying to save their life.
In civilian life as a leo, I responded to numerous fatal accidents and a few suicides. In the last 2 years I have lost both parents, two sisters, my father in law,and now my wife's brother is on the edge with liver cancer.
Do I care about these tragedies? yes I do care. But I, do not verbalize the sorrow. I am very jaded toward sympathizing. If you want sympathy, I am not the one to come to. If you are looking for empathy, I will sometimes provide that but only with family and very close friends. This is my avenue of avoidance.
I speak my mind and if you do not like it, tough twinkies.

You're the judge right?

Karma sucks.

 

[DamonK]

...wonder if that tinted the cases a bit in favor of ......

OK, here is what has given the tint.
After 2 tours in Viet Nam as a corpsman with the USMC, I had many close friends that I watched die, some of them as I was trying to save their life.
In civilian life as a leo, I responded to numerous fatal accidents and a few suicides. In the last 2 years I have lost both parents, two sisters, my father in law,and now my wife's brother is on the edge with liver cancer.
Do I care about these tragedies? yes I do care. But I, do not verbalize the sorrow. I am very jaded toward sympathizing. If you want sympathy, I am not the one to come to. If you are looking for empathy, I will sometimes provide that but only with family and very close friends. This is my avenue of avoidance.
I speak my mind and if you do not like it, tough twinkies.

You do realize that there is a distinct difference between giving sympathy and acting like a knowitall jerk? This forum is for people to be able to talk about things. You psychological shortcomings are not an excuse to attack another member, no matter how new they are.

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[sudden valley gunner]

...wonder if that tinted the cases a bit in favor of ......

OK, here is what has given the tint.
After 2 tours in Viet Nam as a corpsman with the USMC, I had many close friends that I watched die, some of them as I was trying to save their life.
In civilian life as a leo, I responded to numerous fatal accidents and a few suicides. In the last 2 years I have lost both parents, two sisters, my father in law,and now my wife's brother is on the edge with liver cancer.
Do I care about these tragedies? yes I do care. But I, do not verbalize the sorrow. I am very jaded toward sympathizing. If you want sympathy, I am not the one to come to. If you are looking for empathy, I will sometimes provide that but only with family and very close friends. This is my avenue of avoidance.
I speak my mind and if you do not like it, tough twinkies.

Is this how you acted as a judge and a cop?

This isn't your site, we don't have to cater to what you feel you have to avoid. Matter of fact your actions show by your participation in this thread you didn't want to avoid what you just professed....

P.S. please for the love of the gods stop trying to pull the vet card.......

You do realize that there is a distinct difference between giving sympathy and acting like a knowitall jerk? This forum is for people to be able to talk about things. You psychological shortcomings are not an excuse to attack another member, no matter how new they are.

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+1

 

[OC for ME]

If you read the thread, then you already know that was mentioned. The only one responsible for suicide is the person that performs the act - nobody else.

Uh, what about the gun? Without the gun no suicide in that situation.

:arrow: Driving into or off of a bridge is the [strike]gun's[/strike] car's fault.......got it.

Ah, I see that you have gained enlightenment. Well done.

Advertising that you [strike]have[/strike] had a suicide is bad for business. Especially a suicide that involves a firearm.....at a business with lots of firearms. So, how does a business mitigate a notion that some crazy folks, with guns, go to a gun range and fire guns in the presence of other potentially crazy folks with guns.

And how on earth could you bring your kids to a gun range? Don't anyone think of the children anymore? I hope they were sporting double hearing protection.....not that kids use their ears for anything anyway......but, think of the children.

 

[wm2957]

No Children?

Uh, what about the gun? Without the gun no suicide in that situation.

Ah, I see that you have gained enlightenment. Well done.

Advertising that you [strike]have[/strike] had a suicide is bad for business. Especially a suicide that involves a firearm.....at a business with lots of firearms. So, how does a business mitigate a notion that some crazy folks, with guns, go to a gun range and fire guns in the presence of other potentially crazy folks with guns.

And how on earth could you bring your kids to a gun range? Don't anyone think of the children anymore? I hope they were sporting double hearing protection.....not that kids use their ears for anything anyway......but, think of the children.

First of all, the children I brought to the gun range to take a gun safety course were 21, 19 and 16 years of age. Yes, probably much too young to witness the harshness of some of lifes lessons, but my heart was in the right place. I believe that the intent was to train them to be around a gun in the house without being afraid of it and knowing how to be safe around it. I never thought that a one-in-a-million incident would occur during the class. I still do have guilty feelings about it never-the-less.....so you are probably not as hard on me as I have been to myself on this. I will always harbour negative thoughts about bringing anyone I care about into a group shooting situation from this time forward. I will conduct private sessions in the future when training is done.

 

[Red Dawg]

Cause and effect. Chain of events

Cause and effect. Chain of events....I'm still a newbie after only a couple years, and I have seen what happened during this "instance" many times, on many sub forums...And I did my normal shut up and listen, and learn, I watched and waited. As it turns out, the newbies were right, and the skeptics wrong. That is NOT the norm however,a nd the old hands have reasons for wanting the facts. Our core is to cite to source,and he said/she said are not the sources we want. The patch, for those locals isn't credible, and until a main paper picked it up, we all disbeleived. As a member of that club, I would have thought that one of the local, high posters would have been able to get a straight answer from the range...I know the media doesn't normally like to report suicides, but when a large number of FOIA requests go to the PDs, why don't they at least confirm/deny? This may be ranting, and seem like I am adjusting my tinfoil hat, but, there are too many oddities for this story...
And thinking about it. Why did we really care if the suicide really did happen? Why did we have to dig so far to find out? This wasn't a rumor that Senator Umptysquat was putting in a bill to take away open carry in Spokane....Dudes, and duddettes, I am lost....

 

[Nightwing]

wm2957 I believe OC TO ME was using sarcasm for the first part of the post, its hard to read into a posting sometimes. Don't feel like you have to defend your actions as a parent who wanted to safely introduce his children to firearms. I received my first gun at age 6, took my first buck at age 8. Introducing your children to firearms, and making sure they have an understanding of weapon use is not a bad thing. You could not control the actions of another individual, this experience hopefully has not shaken your intent to continue their instruction in firearms.

 

[Grapeshot]

First of all, the children I brought to the gun range to take a gun safety course were 21, 19 and 16 years of age. Yes, probably much too young to witness the harshness of some of lifes lessons, but my heart was in the right place. I believe that the intent was to train them to be around a gun in the house without being afraid of it and knowing how to be safe around it. I never thought that a one-in-a-million incident would occur during the class. I still do have guilty feelings about it never-the-less.....so you are probably not as hard on me as I have been to myself on this. I will always harbour negative thoughts about bringing anyone I care about into a group shooting situation from this time forward. I will conduct private sessions in the future when training is done.

You were doing the responsible thing. We cannot control the actions of other people - only react to them.

Such events are so rare that they ought not play a major part in future decisions. Safe rooms are for catastrophic situations, not day-to-day living. Take some time as needed, then go back to living all the good that life has to offer.

 

[golddigger14s]

2957: Ignore this part, it is sarcasm relating to what the antis always say.

"And how on earth could you bring your kids to a gun range? Don't anyone think of the children anymore? I hope they were sporting double hearing protection.....not that kids use their ears for anything anyway......but, think of the children."

They some how think that if there are children present that guns are automatically more dangerous, and that they should be shielded from even the sight of a gun.

 

[OC for ME]

First of all, the children I brought to the gun range to take a gun safety course were 21, 19 and 16 years of age. Yes, probably much too young to witness the harshness of some of lifes lessons, but my heart was in the right place. I believe that the intent was to train them to be around a gun in the house without being afraid of it and knowing how to be safe around it. I never thought that a one-in-a-million incident would occur during the class. I still do have guilty feelings about it never-the-less.....so you are probably not as hard on me as I have been to myself on this. I will always harbour negative thoughts about bringing anyone I care about into a group shooting situation from this time forward. I will conduct private sessions in the future when training is done.

What are you guilty about? Where is your fault?

Training in a group session can be more beneficial to a individual student than a one-on-one session with that student. It is always a good training environment when the students have each other to observe and be permitted to "assist" in the instruction. Group sessions can build confidence where confidence may have been lacking.

You may be surprised how children react to quality instruction.

The suicide was not your fault. Don't take it out on the children.

Now, is the WCA the ideal location to conduct training? Different question that only you can answer.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

Uh,Advertising that you had a suicide is bad for business. Especially a suicide that involves a firearm.....at a business with lots of firearms. So, how does a business mitigate a notion that some crazy folks, with guns, go to a gun range and fire guns in the presence of other potentially crazy folks with guns.

Lying to customers about something is always worse for business <- that is a general "business ethics' observation and based on imho.

 

[badkarma]

I find it mildly humors that new people posting results in one of 2 responses.
1. Public lynching
2. Invite to the next BBQ/Coffee Meeting-up/Range day.

There never seems to be a happy medium.

 

[gogodawgs]

I find it mildly humors that new people posting results in one of 2 responses.
1. Public lynching
2. Invite to the next BBQ/Coffee Meeting-up/Range day.

There never seems to be a happy medium.

Usually both...

 

[Grapeshot]

I find it mildly humors that new people posting results in one of 2 responses.
1. Public lynching
2. Invite to the next BBQ/Coffee Meeting-up/Range day.

There never seems to be a happy medium.

That's partly because they are not up to speed on the thread - they're picking up droppings.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

if ya ever want to make your way out to beautiful Kitsap County in our idyllic county seat of Port Orchard, wm, you're more then welcome to join our hideaway meet third sat of every month.

I don't know if I agree or disagree with how the range handled the incident publicity wise. I understand why they might've done that, right now most gun related industries and organizations are a bleeding sailor holding onto his life jacket in a sea of circling media sharks just waiting for their turn to bite.... It's understandable they might feel uneasy talking to the media or to some guy they've never heard of from Virginia who claims he moderates a gun forum

but on the other hand.... with such a big incident there having their employees mislead or ignore groups of people who are among the most likely to support their business isn't that good an idea either....

 

[Grapeshot]

--snip--
It's understandable they might feel uneasy talking to the media or to some guy they've never heard of from Virginia who claims he moderates a gun forum

Well they did indirectly confirm and that was appreciated.

ISFA moderating, I'm trying............some would say very trying :lol:

 

[sudden valley gunner]

That's partly because they are not up to speed on the thread - they're picking up droppings.

 

[sirpuma]

First of all, the children I brought to the gun range to take a gun safety course were 21, 19 and 16 years of age. Yes, probably much too young to witness the harshness of some of lifes lessons, but my heart was in the right place. I believe that the intent was to train them to be around a gun in the house without being afraid of it and knowing how to be safe around it. I never thought that a one-in-a-million incident would occur during the class. I still do have guilty feelings about it never-the-less.....so you are probably not as hard on me as I have been to myself on this. I will always harbour negative thoughts about bringing anyone I care about into a group shooting situation from this time forward. I will conduct private sessions in the future when training is done.

Do not feel guilty about what happened at the range. If your kids are over 15 and have never experienced death in any way then they've lived a way too sheltered life. When I was 15 or 16 the local mall had a display from the local fire departments to teach about the effects of drinking and driving or careless driving. Mangled cars and pictures of lots of dead bodies in various stages of being ripped apart. Death and violence were prevalent in movies back then too, though not nearly as much as now and certainly without the gore level.

Having it happen live and on stage is a bit different. There are smells and other sensations involved. It is shocking but I can assure you that your kids will get over it. Don't let them dwell on it. It happened. Talk briefly about it and let them express their feelings then help them to move on and be glad it wasn't worse.