Short and sweet with Ashland PD.

[Werz]

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A formal written complaint will have the additional effect of letting the PD know what the standard is--our standard, not theirs--and will let them know we're willing to make later trouble for any cops who actually do overstep the legal line.

So you are planning to drive here from Virginia "to make later trouble"? Or are you just trying to incite BriKuz to make trouble for himself?

 

[Citizen]

Fixed it for ya.


So you are planning to drive here from Virginia "to make later trouble"? Or are you just trying to incite BriKuz to make trouble for himself?

Are you suggesting police in his jurisdiction would retaliate for his exercising his First Amendment right to petition for redress of grievances?

 

[notalawyer]

So, you admit you are trying to avoid wider discussion and analysis by sticking strictly to facts and government's assertions? That is to say, actively trying to undermine wider discussion and analysis?

So, you admit you are trying to avoid wider discussion and analysis

Not at all! I try not to involve myself in conjecture, a propensity of far too many people. However, please feel free to continue your histrionics, as is your practice.
It can be entertaining, some of the time!

That is to say, actively trying to undermine wider discussion and analysis?

Nope, just trying to provide a balanced evaluation of the facts presented.

 

[BriKuz]

I got audio for radio calls, but no dispatch as of yet... nothing much in the radio calls, excepting that they somehow had my DL number... assuming they ran plates, then got my info from that... not sure how they knew which car was mine...

 

[Citizen]

I got audio for radio calls, but no dispatch as of yet... nothing much in the radio calls, excepting that they somehow had my DL number... assuming they ran plates, then got my info from that... not sure how they knew which car was mine...

You should pull this thread and see where it leads. It might turn out to be nothing at all; on the other hand it might turn out to be something very interesting.

The FOI responses to an OC/police incident in 2007 showed a cop using his e-mail to gather intelligence on a state gun rights group from other police in the state. And, two or three of the cops at other PDs in the state e-mailed back. Regrettably, this bombshell was never addressed in the follow-up--police seeking intelligence on a pro-rights group from other police. The lesson here is not so much that your PD has a secret dossier on you, but there may be more to the story than revealed so far. And, once it comes to light, it might lead somewhere very interesting.

For example, did the police already know your name before the actual contact in the laundromat? Did they already know you were an OCDO member? Depending on the answers, it might tend to show they already knew you were a good guy before they even contacted you, which induces the question, why bother to contact you? And, why ask about felon-in-possession? Is there an existing low level of hostility from police? Etc.

Again, it might turn out to be something innocuous. But, then again, maybe not. Worth pulling the thread to see where it leads, I think.

 

[Citizen]

Not at all! I try not to involve myself in conjecture, a propensity of far too many people. However, please feel free to continue your histrionics, as is your practice.
It can be entertaining, some of the time!

Nope, just trying to provide a balanced evaluation of the facts presented.

Oh, you're doing more than that.

You're denying entirely reasonable inferences drawn from the police's behaviour.

And, thank you for characterizing my commentary as histrionics. I didn't know you considered strong, no-nonsense support of rights to be histrionics. I'm sure I'm not the only one glad to know your stance.

 

[MyWifeSaidYes]

BriKuz-

What kind of conversation was the complaintant having with the Mrs.

The report shows that the complaintant didn't call until she was 'safely' back home.

I would imagine this person, if she was already in the laundromat, noticed the vehicle in which you arrived.

Another citizen may have pointed out your car, or, while unlikely, it's possible the police checked video from another source prior to initiating contact.

 

[notalawyer]

Oh, you're doing more than that.

You're denying entirely reasonable inferences drawn from the police's behaviour.

And, thank you for characterizing my commentary as histrionics. I didn't know you considered strong, no-nonsense support of rights to be histrionics. I'm sure I'm not the only one glad to know your stance.

You say reasonable inference, when what you really mean is your twisted desire for there to be some there when the facts provide no support for your wild histrionics. I do not consider that anything akin to strong, no-nonsense support of rights.

 

[BriKuz]

BriKuz-

What kind of conversation was the complaintant having with the Mrs.

The report shows that the complaintant didn't call until she was 'safely' back home.

I would imagine this person, if she was already in the laundromat, noticed the vehicle in which you arrived.

Another citizen may have pointed out your car, or, while unlikely, it's possible the police checked video from another source prior to initiating contact.

The wife and the caller were just chatting about newborns, the weather... J. Let her know that open carry was legal when she asked... I was trying to keep up with an energetic 2 year old, so I only heard bits and pieces of the conversation. I wouldn't think that anything my wife said could have been taken as any kind of threat whatsoever. Strike that, when asked WHY she carries, she answered that her job as a mother was to stop any threat to her children... can't really call that a threat, but some may feel uncomfortable about that comment being made.

Another funny bit, the woman came back to get her clothes out of the drier (after the police had already been there and gone) and was NOT talkative at all... ;-)

As an aside, I would respectfully request that the little ******* contest going on be moved to a thread of its own... although some valid points have been made, the personal attacks and counter-attacks are distracting from the topic of this thread... (PS: I WILL read that thread, because, as I said, there are some interesting points being made)

 

[eye95]

Bri-

Report one of the posts, not trying to get anyone into trouble, but just to suggest to the mods that they split this thread into two. I don't know if they will do it, but it is possible.

Mods, if you do split the thread, please delete this post as it belongs in neither thread.

 

[BriKuz]

The dispatcher was the issue... she informed the original caller that open carry is not allowed and the you HAVE to carry concealed...

http://www.kuzawa.com/incidents/0000000003_Disp_Phone_ACSO_2013-06-23_10_20_13_by_ui_startdate_asc.wav

Any suggestions on a letter to Ashland County Dispatch requesting that dispatch is properly trained?

 

[Citizen]

The dispatcher was the issue... she informed the original caller that open carry is not allowed and the you HAVE to carry concealed...

http://www.kuzawa.com/incidents/000...O_2013-06-23_10_20_13_by_ui_startdate_asc.wav

Any suggestions on a letter to Ashland County Dispatch requesting that dispatch is properly trained?

Besides anything else, the dispatcher has no business telling a caller what is illegal. Dispatchers are not attorneys and have no business giving legal advice.