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Ron Paul for president

XD9mmFMJ

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You're right about the electoral college being BS... But Ron Paul the "good cop". Has the man been playing "good cop" for three decades now? ...been an "outsider" and "blacksheep" among both parties? He's not even "good cop" now. I would say he's the "not-an-idiot-cop". :banana:

You can believe that if you like. It just shows that you're not ready to wake up from the illusion yet. Fluoride in the water helps keep people passive and easy to manipulate. Capitol hill is a hollywood production. If there weren't a few who stood out like RP, the people might just get agitated a little quicker, but then again, fluoride works wonders.

All the world's a stage, and we are merely being played. Know this one fact. NOBODY who is anything close to REAL OPPOSITION to their game plan EVER......let me repeat EVER gets ANY media coverage. If RP were such a thing, he would never have been elected a second time, guaranteed. The fact he's been there for 30 years should be your first clue.
 
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How do you know what a state's population has selected? :uhoh:

Touche', but then that really has nothing to do with the Electoral College and its pros/cons. The Electoral College doesn't even meet until well after the results of the elections are "known."
 

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You can believe that if you like. It just shows that you're not ready to wake up from the illusion yet. Fluoride in the water helps keep people passive and easy to manipulate. Capitol hill is a hollywood production. If there weren't a few who stood out like RP, the people might just get agitated a little quicker, but then again, fluoride works wonders.

All the world's a stage, and we are merely being played. Know this one fact. NOBODY who is anything close to REAL OPPOSITION to their game plan EVER......let me repeat EVER gets ANY media coverage. If RP were such a thing, he would never have been elected a second time, guaranteed. The fact he's been there for 30 years should be your first clue.

What do you suggest we do? Agora, Action, Anarchy?
 

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I love Paul's predictions...I can do them to, the sun will go down today and come up in the morning! A stopped clock is right twice a day. :banghead:
 

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I love Paul's predictions...I can do them to, the sun will go down today and come up in the morning! A stopped clock is right twice a day. :banghead:

It's pretty obvious you didn't watch the video.

Either that or you somehow missed that all these OBVIOUS predictions were completely ignored by the rest of Congress, who had its own unconstitutional agenda.
 

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It's pretty obvious you didn't watch the video.

Either that or you somehow missed that all these OBVIOUS predictions were completely ignored by the rest of Congress, who had its own unconstitutional agenda.

I've seen it many times. The RP supporters believe he is God over it. However, he is regergitating the information that was already out there. He just stated it from the house floor. Remember who was in the WH when he made these comments, Bill Clinton, some had already occurred on a smalled scale; ie Palenstine issues.
 
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I've seen it many times. The RP supporters believe he is God over it. However, he is regergitating the information that was already out there. He just stated it from the house floor. Remember who was in the WH when he made these comments, Bill Clinton, some had already occurred on a smalled scale; ie Palenstine issues.

He is in no way God, and you lumping us together like that is wrong.

He IS, however, the only vocal Congressman willing to actually SAY IT in Congress and actually ACT with his votes to defend these truths and the Constitution. Yeah, what a loser...

His stating it from the House floor should be HUGE. Because none of the other pols are willing to do so.

What does Bill Clinton have to do with this? I don't care if it was Ronald Reagan at the time. It doesn't change the fact that Ron Paul had the guts to defy the "patriotic" movement and actually use common sense and the Constitution as his guide as a Congressman.
 

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What do you suggest we do? Agora, Action, Anarchy?

No, I suggest people wise up, because none are so helplessly enslaved as those who think they are free. Why does having control of our own country equal anarchy in your mind? Is that a slight against people who know what kind of creeps are actually running the show? There is nothing wrong with suggesting action. In case you haven't read the declaration of independence (doesn't sound like you have) I'll quote it for you:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The people no longer (nay, never did) have any control of this imperialistic government. There is no recourse against the war mongers who now label American citizens as "terrorists" for disagreeing with their agenda, therefore action must be taken. Of course, I know, unlike most people, that many who scream "anarchy" are communists who are in on the deal of enslaving the American people. I know exactly who these commies are, what they've done before, what they are doing now, and what they have planned for the future. I, for one, absolutely refuse to sit idly by while my entire country is enslaved through usury, and all of our rights are usurped.

You have one choice in this matter. Stand against the tyrants, or stand with them. Bush even said, "you are either with us, or you are with them (terrorists)". So, you are either with the American people, or you are with the terrorist commies on capitol hill. Pick one, and forget about fake elections.
 

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He is in no way God, and you lumping us together like that is wrong.

He IS, however, the only vocal Congressman willing to actually SAY IT in Congress and actually ACT with his votes to defend these truths and the Constitution. Yeah, what a loser...

His stating it from the House floor should be HUGE. Because none of the other pols are willing to do so.

What does Bill Clinton have to do with this? I don't care if it was Ronald Reagan at the time. It doesn't change the fact that Ron Paul had the guts to defy the "patriotic" movement and actually use common sense and the Constitution as his guide as a Congressman.

You are correct, he is no God; however, many if not all RP supporters that i have interacted with have a love for the man that is like no other. When reading posts here and other boards; this attitude is pervasive.

As for being said on the floor of Congress, it doesn't mean a lot when there is no one in the chambers.

During the first term of Bill Clinton, the political montra was huge spending and such (remember Hiliarycare?). What he did from the floor was not gutsy, it was him just rambling. You should listen to Cspan to hear all the speeches broadcasted from there.
 

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...many if not all RP supporters that i have interacted with have a love for the man that is like no other. When reading posts here and other boards; this attitude is pervasive.

As for being said on the floor of Congress, it doesn't mean a lot when there is no one in the chambers.

During the first term of Bill Clinton, the political montra was huge spending and such (remember Hiliarycare?). What he did from the floor was not gutsy, it was him just rambling. You should listen to Cspan to hear all the speeches broadcasted from there.

So you don't give the Congressman credit for doing what EVERY member of Congress SHOULD be doing. Got it. Makes sense now.

And then you wonder why some people like him...
 
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SNIP however, many if not all RP supporters that i have interacted with have a love for the man that is like no other. When reading posts here and other boards; this attitude is pervasive.

You make it sound like you expect his supporters to break out in a chant, "Ron Paul u akbar. Praise be to Ron Paul from who all blessings flow."

There just can't be any possible explanation, like, oh, say, maybe genuine freedom inspires people? Like maybe lots of young people realize that Social Security really is a giant Ponzi scheme, and any money coercively stolen from them today has a real good chance of not even being there at retirement? Or, that maybe a certain part of the population is sick and tired of politics as usual and sees where it has led us--deep, deep into debt. Or, that maybe they're tired of being lied to about custodial searches misnamed "patdowns" and Congress giving the executive the power to kill citizens sans trial.

No, you're right. There isn't a snowball's chance anybody would actually like a candidate who has pretty consistently supported freedom across 25 years or more, much less actually love him. Absurd. Human nature couldn't possibly work that way. Nobody could love or want freedom that much. **ck no. They're all smoking something. /sarcasm
 
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SNIP As for being said on the floor of Congress, it doesn't mean a lot when there is no one in the chambers.


Lemme make sure I understand you. You're blaming Paul for speaking when other congressmen don't show up for debate on the house floor?

And, you're blaming Paul for the timing of debate set by the Speaker?
 

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You make it sound like you expect his supporters to break out in a chant, "Ron Paul u akbar. Praise be to Ron Paul from who all blessings flow."

There just can't be any possible explanation, like, oh, say, maybe genuine freedom inspires people? Like maybe lots of young people realize that Social Security really is a giant Ponzi scheme, and any money coercively stolen from them today has a real good chance of not even being there at retirement? Or, that maybe a certain part of the population is sick and tired of politics as usual and sees where it has led us--deep, deep into debt. Or, that maybe they're tired of being lied to about custodial searches misnamed "patdowns" and Congress giving the executive the power to kill citizens sans trial.

No, you're right. There isn't a snowball's chance anybody would actually like a candidate who has pretty consistently supported freedom across 25 years or more, much less actually love him. Absurd. Human nature couldn't possibly work that way. Nobody could love or want freedom that much. **ck no. They're all smoking something. /sarcasm

Keep talking....you make my case.
 

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You make it sound like you expect his supporters to break out in a chant, "Ron Paul u akbar. Praise be to Ron Paul from who all blessings flow."

There are a few loud mouthed zealots out there who do say insipid $#!t like that...

There just can't be any possible explanation, like, oh, say, maybe genuine freedom inspires people? Like maybe lots of young people realize that Social Security really is a giant Ponzi scheme, and any money coercively stolen from them today has a real good chance of not even being there at retirement? Or, that maybe a certain part of the population is sick and tired of politics as usual and sees where it has led us--deep, deep into debt. Or, that maybe they're tired of being lied to about custodial searches misnamed "patdowns" and Congress giving the executive the power to kill citizens sans trial.

No, you're right. There isn't a snowball's chance anybody would actually like a candidate who has pretty consistently supported freedom across 25 years or more, much less actually love him. Absurd. Human nature couldn't possibly work that way. Nobody could love or want freedom that much. **ck no. They're all smoking something. /sarcasm


My father is a pretty hard line republican, and looked at me like I was a monkey trying to mate with a football when I told him I decided Ron Paul was the only decent candidate left after Herman Cain was sabotaged. After the last debate he finally came around and at least accepted him as just as good of a candidate since he pointed out he would make actual declarations of war, and that we can't afford a foriegn policy as things stand.

I tried explaining my thoughts on that, but until he heard RP say it he wasn't impressed. He'll never be a "paulbot", but he'd finally feel comfortable voting for him. I think RP hasn't been able to convince the mainstream that he's actually mainstream, and I blame the media and the obnoxious loud mouth truthtard zealots.
 

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You can believe that if you like. It just shows that you're not ready to wake up from the illusion yet. Fluoride in the water helps keep people passive and easy to manipulate. Capitol hill is a hollywood production. If there weren't a few who stood out like RP, the people might just get agitated a little quicker, but then again, fluoride works wonders.

First of all, I would agree that American (and foreign) politics are basically a sham. But not everyone is part of some "master conspiracy" like you seem to think. What if you, assuming you were qualified, ran for mayor, senate or even president? There are regular, good people in politics who are not part of the "Republicratic" one-party system. Ron Paul is such a person. You can deny that all you want, but you'd be wrong. There's a reason why he is ignored by the media despite being the most popular candidate. There's a reason why the Democrats and Republicans both fear him. There's a reason why he's called "Dr. No" by the lobbyists and special interest groups. I don't think you know what (or who) you're talking about.

Secondly, there is no fluoride in my water. My great grandfather dug a well here on my land over 100 years ago, far from the city. We still use that well today, with a modern (electric) pump that supplies my home. Third, fluoride is not some sort of psychoactive drug that makes people "agreeable and passive". I was sure you were talking something crazy out of your head when you said that, and I researched it just to be sure. And I was right, apparently. Water fluoridation is certainly unethical and stupid, but it simply does not have that sort of effect and is not done for that reason. If fluoride makes people passive and easy to manipulate, then why are people in the ghetto, where fluoridation is most prevalent, shooting and slicing each other to pieces every day? Why do people get road rage, argue and fight all the time? If we were all on some government drug to make us calm and non-aggressive then we wouldn't behave the way we actually do. What's next? Chem trails? Bigfoot? :uhoh:

All the world's a stage, and we are merely being played. Know this one fact. NOBODY who is anything close to REAL OPPOSITION to their game plan EVER......let me repeat EVER gets ANY media coverage. If RP were such a thing, he would never have been elected a second time, guaranteed. The fact he's been there for 30 years should be your first clue.

...and Ron Paul hardly gets any media coverage. They cannot totally ignore him, because that would actually bring more attention to him and make the media's BS stand out like a white boy in a dance competition. Instead, they like to craftily play him off and dodge around him as smoothly as possible, but at times it's unavoidable.

And people CAN get elected who are not Republicrats. You do realize that regular folks like you and I work on the election committees, and any sort of major fraud or devilry on any large scale would go over like a turd in the town's well? Someone getting a seat in Congress is not that big of a deal. One Congressman doesn't rule the country. I know two people, personally, who have been elected. The presidential election, which has close federal involvement and a "buffer" (electoral college) between voters and outcome (as well as primaries which the party lords over) can be a totally different story. But I won't be silly enough to pretend I have it all figured out.

You have some ideas which are pretty spot-on, but some of it is just so far out there that there's no way to reign it in (no offense -- just sayin). And you don't seem to advocate or stand up for anything, which I'm still trying to figure out... :confused:
 

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I love Paul's predictions...I can do them to, the sun will go down today and come up in the morning! A stopped clock is right twice a day. :banghead:

Erm, nah... I don't think so... :lol:

Example Ron Paul "Prediction":

Loose monetary policy on the part of the Federal Reserve will undoubtedly lead to continued inflation, rising commodity costs, stagnant/falling wages, and diminishing economic opportunities. Higher input costs for businesses will result in decreasing margins, workers will be laid off and unemployment will continue to rise. US monetary policy is a one-way ticket to economic trouble; or possibly another disaster.


Everyone Else:

Oh my! Ron Paul is such a nutter! What a moron! The Fed will make all our problems go away. That's what printing presses are for! We need to keep printing more money and "supplying liquidity" to the financial system. More "Quantitative Easing"! More Fed asset-purchasing programs! Currency devaluation is good for the economy. If we lower the value of the dollar, then we can make people's wages rise and everyone will make more money! Then prices will rise and businesses can make more money too! Even though that makes no sense as to how that could possibly be a good thing, it just sounds like a great idea! More QE, please!


5 years later...

Oh, crap... Well... Ron Paul just got lucky again! He really didn't know what he was talking about! Even though he was right about it, he was still wrong! Yeah... And I predicted this TOO! I swear! Don't you remember!?


:lol:

Ron Paul doesn't really "predict" anything. It's not magic, "the gift" or anything such. It's called Austrian Economic Theory. Anyone who understands it, and thus actually understands market economics, can do the same thing. I use it to "predict" market trends and direction and make a living trading stock, options, futures, commodities and currency (yes, I'm a professional trader). I make a killing every time the market crashes, every time there's a bubble, every rally, every pullback and every time it goes nowhere. Ben Bernanke's idiocy has probably made me more money than any other single person's actions. Obama has been great for my pocketbook too. Though I'd be much happier making a killing in a thriving bull market where everyone is prospering, I have to take what the market and politics gives me. Hopefully Paul gets elected and I can build a long-term portfolio of strong, domestic stocks -- rather than having to short everything and buy puts all the time, and seeing your IRAs and 401ks and retirement accounts crash and burn. :p

@Redbaron007: Wait... you have a case? I totally missed that part.

Yeah, me too... me too... :p
 
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No, I suggest people wise up, because none are so helplessly enslaved as those who think they are free. Why does having control of our own country equal anarchy in your mind? Is that a slight against people who know what kind of creeps are actually running the show? There is nothing wrong with suggesting action. In case you haven't read the declaration of independence (doesn't sound like you have) I'll quote it for you:

The people no longer (nay, never did) have any control of this imperialistic government. There is no recourse against the war mongers who now label American citizens as "terrorists" for disagreeing with their agenda, therefore action must be taken. Of course, I know, unlike most people, that many who scream "anarchy" are communists who are in on the deal of enslaving the American people. I know exactly who these commies are, what they've done before, what they are doing now, and what they have planned for the future. I, for one, absolutely refuse to sit idly by while my entire country is enslaved through usury, and all of our rights are usurped.

You have one choice in this matter. Stand against the tyrants, or stand with them. Bush even said, "you are either with us, or you are with them (terrorists)". So, you are either with the American people, or you are with the terrorist commies on capitol hill. Pick one, and forget about fake elections.

Chill out. I wasn't being sarcastic with my question, I was genuinely curious of what you think a solution would be. I never said action was a bad thing. I agree with some of what you're saying. I see you are very passionate about it as well, but it seems you are turning that passion into anger and aiming it at some of the people on this board.

I don't think we're free, and we will probably never see true freedom in out lifetime, nor will our children's children, unless something dramatic happens (revolution). Even if the Government follows the constitution, we, the people, still wont be free. The constitution is flawed, unfortunately. The only documents that seem worth a hoot are the Declaration of Independence (I did read it, actually. Thanks for making ASSumptions) and the Articles of Confederation.

The Federalists turned the Constitution into a big government document. There were a few good things to come from from it, the Bill of Rights, which the anti-federalists were able to fight to get into the Constitution.

As I said, I feel that if the Government operated within the confines of the Constitution, the government will still be too big. The people will still not be, truly, free.

Most of the subjects of the United States of America don't realize what's going on, so there will be no help for the few of us that decide to destroy the tyrants in charge via a revolution. Some sheep are so asleep, they will never be able to be waken up. So, I think getting the government to follow the Constitution is the best thing we can push for right now. Then work from there.
 
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debate moderator: "Congressman Paul, your recent ad says Rick Santorum is a fake conservative. Why do you think he's a fake?"

Paul: "Because he's a fake." hahaha

Ron Paul -- truly an honest candidate.
 
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