Rights - Law professor speaks on exercising 5th amend rights

[Sheriff]

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Legba wrote:

I was being a tad facetious.....
-ljp

I figured you were. :celebrate

 

[unreconstructed1]

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Legba wrote:

I did accidentally/negligently hit someone with bird shot at long range when I was younger. I'm glad to say that the damage was limited to a ruined hairdo when she had to shake the shot out of her hair.

-ljp

your last name wouldn't happen to be Cheney, would it?

 

[LEO 229]

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icode wrote:

More money???!!! Are you insane? They start around 54,000 a year here. That's pretty damn good money for a high school graduate with no experiance! More money - sheesh!

And computer tech jobs are almost double that.

 

[LEO 229]

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Sheriff wrote:

LEO 229 wrote:

Edit: I took a peak and that site is absolutely, without a doubt, anti-law enforcement!!!

Reporting on police officers committing crimesagainst U S citizensis anti law enforcement? :lol:

No.... it is the manner in how they report it. Blasting cops and using 4 letter words.

Some of the stuff was not even bad but accidents or other matters that had nothing to do with anything illegal.

 

[LEO 229]

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Sheriff wrote:

icode wrote:

More money???!!! Are you insane? They start around 54,000 a year here. That's pretty damn good money for a high school graduate with no experiance! More money - sheesh!

All cops use the dog and pony show of "more money" when defending bad cops. It's also self-serving of course. :lol:

The way I calculate it, adding up benefits and salary, rookies in LEO229's area start at about $65,000.

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CurrentPolice Salary Scales
(July 2007)

Police Officer $45,741 - $74,508
Police Officer First Class $52,734 - $77,914
Master Police Officer $70,516 - $81,632
Sergeant Police Officer $67,159 - $85,713

Shift Differential Pay: .90 for evening shift and 1.30 for midnights

The average income for the area is actually $80,000 and single family homes cost $800,000 +

So $46,000 does not amount to much and this is before taxes.

 

[Legba]

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unreconstructed1 wrote:

Legba wrote:

I did accidentally/negligently hit someone with bird shot at long range when I was younger. I'm glad to say that the damage was limited to a ruined hairdo when she had to shake the shot out of her hair.

-ljp

your last name wouldn't happen to be Cheney, would it?

That amounted to a bit more than mussed hair in his case, although since the "victim" was an attorney, they declined to press charges, so it's all good (no closed season in Texas, IIRC).

-ljp

 

[LEO 229]

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Sheriff wrote:

Cops don't want you to know they actually make so much. :lol:

Keep in mind the scale I posted above doesn't even include the abundant overtime available everywhere after 9/11.

You notice LEO229 didn't mention any amounts & benefits when he said they don't get paid enough. Cops beg for a job, but once they get it all they do is whine about the salary.

Not true....

All I said was "if you wanted a better selection of candidates.... You need to pay more."

Remember??

$46,000 in NOVA is not really that much. I am not complaining... the pay is better than the military. But if you want that college grad to put in for the job.... he will be looking for more money.

But since Sheriff said it... he too must have been one of cops that begged for his job and then whined about the salary.

 

[compmanio365]

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LEO 229 wrote:

icode wrote:

More money???!!! Are you insane? They start around 54,000 a year here. That's pretty damn good money for a high school graduate with no experiance! More money - sheesh!

And computer tech jobs are almost double that.

I don't make "almost double that"........:cuss:

And I've been in the field for 3+ years......so that argument doesn't hold water.......

 

[asforme]

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compmanio365 wrote:

LEO 229 wrote:

icode wrote:

More money???!!! Are you insane? They start around 54,000 a year here. That's pretty damn good money for a high school graduate with no experiance! More money - sheesh!

And computer tech jobs are almost double that.

I don't make "almost double that"........:cuss:

And I've been in the field for 3+ years......so that argument doesn't hold water.......

+1 Me too. 3 years experience, over 10 professional certifications, HS diploma, half way through my engineering degree. Sounds like more qualifications for what most LEOs have (according to sherrif, I don't know for sure).

 

[LEO 229]

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compmanio365 wrote:

LEO 229 wrote:

icode wrote:

More money???!!! Are you insane? They start around 54,000 a year here. That's pretty damn good money for a high school graduate with no experiance! More money - sheesh!

And computer tech jobs are almost double that.

I don't make "almost double that"........:cuss:

And I've been in the field for 3+ years......so that argument doesn't hold water.......

You are in Washington State..... Virginia is a big computer tech location where the salary is very high.

But remember.... the cost of living here in Northern Virginia is VERY HIGH too.

How much for a new single family house withno land where you live?

Here it is at least $800,000 starting.


http://mlsofvirginia.com/engine/listing_detail/standard/1308/en/6798718/single/6797045/

Here is a single family home onalmost anacre of land for $1.3 million. :shock:


Here are a few jobs college grads are loking at herein Virginia..... vs a cop salary of $22 per hour.

Sr. Software Engineer

Job type: Full-Time Employee | Pay: $80k - $130k/year
Multiple positions available: Sr. Software Engineer Locations: Arlington, VA and Burlington, MA Our client isseeking motivated software engineers...

ISP Network Engineer
Job type: Contractor | Pay: $42.00/hour
great team, fast paced Our Herndon, VA client is looking for an ISP Network Engineer. The Network Engineer maintains wide area network hardware,...

Systems Engineer
Job type: Full-Time Employee | Pay: $75k - $95k/year
Systems Engineer Job - Senior SYSTEMS TEST ENGINEER needed to conduct infrastructure communications systems testing. Requires BS Engineering, BSCS, or...

Software Architect
Job type: Contractor | Pay: $31.00 - $51.00/hour
Software Architect Job - Immediate Need in Fairfax County VA for a Software Developer. This is a contract position expected to last 4 months. Must...

Desktop Support
Job type: Contractor | Pay: $30.00 - $40.00/hour
great team, fast paced, high volume Our Herndon, VA telecommunications client is looking for a Desktop Support Representative. The Desktop Support Rep...

 

[LEO 229]

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asforme wrote:

compmanio365 wrote:

LEO 229 wrote:

icode wrote:

More money???!!! Are you insane? They start around 54,000 a year here. That's pretty damn good money for a high school graduate with no experiance! More money - sheesh!

And computer tech jobs are almost double that.

I don't make "almost double that"........:cuss:

And I've been in the field for 3+ years......so that argument doesn't hold water.......

+1 Me too. 3 years experience, over 10 professional certifications, HS diploma, half way through my engineering degree. Sounds like more qualifications for what most LEOs have (according to sherrif, I don't know for sure).

Not sure what you are doing now.... but you need to keep looking as there are some high paying jobs in Virginia.

 

[compmanio365]

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Hmm.....looks like I need to start working in Virginia and living elsewhere! I thought Seattle would be on the high end of the pay scale.......

When I was being offered employment with a local PD, they showed me starting wage and it was somewhere around what you quoted.......hence my earlier statement......I guess the computer market in VA is much better than here.

 

[Doug Huffman]

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Sheriff wrote:

All cops use the dog and pony show of "more money" when defending bad cops. It's also self-serving of course. :lol:

I had a co-worker that went back to school with his retirement bonus and got a teaching degree. He truly believed that teachers would be better if they were paid more. After two years teaching HS math he went back for psychology so he could be a school psychologist, still believing that you get what you pay for rather than paying for what you get.

 

[Sheriff]

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LEO 229 wrote:

Not sure what you are doing now.... but you need to keep looking as there are some high paying jobs in Virginia.

Why are you still in law enforcement then?

Don't even try to use the excuse "to help people and make my community a better place to live!" That prase was milked to death back when it was actually true.

And by the way, there's 2,080 work hours in a year and $30 an houris therefore $62,400. And $40 x 2,080 work hours is only $83,200. And these IT jobsgenerally can't match the retirement and benefits packages in government employment. A rookie with 5 years service in Northern Virginia should easily be making this much counting their retirement, OVERTIMEand the benefits package.

Furthermore, if you have any rank whatsoever, I would guess your gross salary in 2007 to have been a minimum of $100,000. With benefits and retirement added in, maybe $135,000. On the other hand, I am familiar with a few officers in Northern Virginia that shouldn't even be making the $46,000 you mention. THEY most certainly DO qualify as getting what you pay for. :lol:

 

[Sheriff]

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LEO 229 wrote:

But since Sheriff said it... he too must have been one of cops that begged for his job and then whined about the salary.

Nope. I worked at Sheriff's Offices my entire career. Home of nepotism and "best friends". When I first started, my sheriff's captain was his own brother-in-law. When I left, the sheriff's son was climbing the ladder and is now captain. Doesn't do any good to whine about pay, working conditions or promotions in Sheriff's Offices. Sheriff's deputies don't even have a Bill of Rights as you know. A sherrif can hire and fire at will, with or without a valid reason.

 

[apjonas]

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How does this work? While not having Mr. X's DNA at the crime scene may mitigate towards his innocence, it doesn't exonerate him (like some sort of anti-DNA). Ever hear of a condom? Multiple assailants? Nor does presence of DNA always prove guilt. We leave DNA wherever we go. Even if we narrow DNA down to blood and semen, use of a common laundry facility, dumpster or any publicly accessible space may account for its presence. Those who have seen "Presumed Innocent" know that "DNA" or rather its placement can be manipulated in space and time. I am all for using DNA appropriately but I reject the automatic "must be guilty" or "must be innocent" cries that seem to follow its use.

icode wrote:

This just in...

CHICAGO— After serving more than 12 years in prison, DNA testing has exonerated a Chicago man of a rape conviction.[/b]

Dean Cage, 41, was convicted and sentenced to 40 years for allegedly assaulting a 15-year-old girl in 1994, despite claims that he was home at the time of the attack.

Cage was linked to the rape and arrested when the victim identified him as her assailant and DNA testing was not available at the time of this trial, the Chicago Sun-Times reported. Cage also claimed that the victim contracted venereal diseases from her attacker and that he had none.

In late 2006 however, the New York-based Innocence Project persuaded prosecutors to conduct DNA tests in the case, the Sun-Times reported.

Five rounds of tests later, state attorney spokesman John Gorman said results received Saturday ruled out Cage as the attacker, leaving the case open, according to the paper.

Cage was released from prison late Tuesday and plans a news conference with family members in Chicago.

He is the 29th person in Illinois to be exonerated by post-conviction DNA evidence, according to the Innocence Project.

 

[icode]

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LEO 229 wrote:

icode wrote:

More money???!!! Are you insane? They start around 54,000 a year here. That's pretty damn good money for a high school graduate with no experiance! More money - sheesh!

And computer tech jobs are almost double that.

Now you're just talking crazy. Obviously I live and work in the area that I am, and with a degree and 15 years of exp and numerous perfessional certificationsI don't even make double what a starting cop makes. LEO 229 get off of your pony and put your dog back in the kennel!

Edit: Medical doctors make even more than that, should we start paying cops as much as doctors make? Don't be rediculous (or should I say more rediculous)!

 

[Doug Huffman]

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icode wrote:

Edit: Medical doctors make even more than that, should we start paying cops as much as doctors make? Don't be rediculous (or should I say more rediculous)!

or more ridiculous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissertation#US

 

[LEO 229]

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And on that note..... This thread has gone off track a long time ago and has been played out.