Re: URGENT! Please remind your friends, post at gun clubs and shops. Thank You!

[goarep]

Just because you didn't see anyone there doesn't mean they were not there

I don't get it. I was there from 7a.m. till 6p.m. . If I didn't see anyone there, they were not there or are actually the invisible man! I saw who testified, no one from this board. I don't know how more honest I can be. Not trying to offend anyone. If someone had shown, I'm sure they would have added to this board the commentary and remarks by the committee that the next session will bring additional gun laws to consider. Guess what? Hint, hint . . . Open Carry is right at the top of their list!!

What happened is they discovered there were no significant numbers present and they will do whatever they please. I understand all those who had to work. Just to address anyone who might think I don't understand. It is great for all the times we have been able to muster people.

I myself had pneumonia but I made the 200 mile journey in absolute misery because I knew it was that important for gun owners. Maybe next time, since we were told they will be busy next session passing all the gun bills they can.

 

[Venator]

Guess what? Hint, hint . . . Open Carry is right at the top of their list!!

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Care to cite your knowledge of these proposed laws against OC? I keep hearing rumors, but it's mostly from LEOs and City counsels that make them.

I would love to have some actual source of said proposals. That way we can work against them. So please cite the legislatures that are drafting these anti-OC laws.

You may well be right that no one was at this meeting. My point was that people may have emailed their reps in opposition and you would not have know about them.

Was MGO and MCRGOs at this meeting? Our were you the only person there from the gun-rights orgs?

 

[goarep]

My point was that people may have emailed their reps in opposition and you would not

That's about like having a firearm with a trigger lock while your home is being broken in. In every meeting I attended the issue regarding their agenda was presented over and over again. Point is if no one was listening as we tried to stop this, certainly no one will listen when their full compliment of liars is seated next session.

We were told they WILL get everything and anything they want in terms of legislation. But relax, it's just another volley of laws against gun owners on the way. Also, representative Marty Knollenberg stated to the audience that how could Gun Owners of America possibly oppose this bill when the NRA and MCRGO have greatly supported this bill?

I really pity anyone who still has faith in the NRA and some of these other groups personally personally. They have shown who they are time and time again! But hey, they keep your scores when you shoot and offer fancy little badges. What a deal!

http://nrawol.net/

"The real gun lobby in Washington is the GOA." -- Senator Tom Coburn, August 14, 2009

"The only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington." -Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)

 

[Venator]

That's about like having a firearm with a trigger lock while your home is being broken in. In every meeting I attended the issue regarding their agenda was presented over and over again. Point is if no one was listening as we tried to stop this, certainly no one will listen when their full compliment of liars is seated next session.

We were told they WILL get everything and anything they want in terms of legislation. But relax, it's just another volley of laws against gun owners on the way. Also, representative Marty Knollenberg stated to the audience that how could Gun Owners of America possibly oppose this bill when the NRA and MCRGO have greatly supported this bill?

I really pity anyone who still has faith in the NRA and some of these other groups personally personally. They have shown who they are time and time again! But hey, they keep your scores when you shoot and offer fancy little badges. What a deal!

http://nrawol.net/

"The real gun lobby in Washington is the GOA." -- Senator Tom Coburn, August 14, 2009

"The only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington." -Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)

Was there a cite to proposed OC bans in your response that I missed.

And many people are not happy with the NRA and MCRGO's take on gun rights. That's why I joined GOA.

 

[goarep]

Was there a cite to proposed OC bans in your response that I missed.

Well, joining was a great step in protecting your rights! Last week I sent the info commented on by Brooks Patterson. If you recall I pointed out the section they are working to scrutinize which made comment to ANY firearm carried contrary to that legislation, which claims only firearms carried by licensed CPL holders is considered lawful, will be illegal.

Other than that do you mean specifics? No, I don't have that . I just have the promise from the standing committee's as a whole that there will be more to come. That was after the proceedings and off the record. In Oakland county we know he has met with several reps collectively to have the restrictions introducing those measures and then have companion bills expand the legislation, since he was very irritated over Arts, Beats and Eats.

That's what has been publicly stated around the Capitol. It was actually democrats who helped in stalling the various anti gun related bills that were not taken up by committee. I wish I could tell you more but this is all I know that I can comment on for now.

 

[autosurgeon]

Of course just like the NRA you have to keep injecting a little fear in order to keep and get new members... :banghead:

Specifics on the other hand are never to be found.

Sorry but I am not going to buy it unless you give me specifics.

 

[goarep]

Of course just like the NRA you have to keep injecting a little fear in order to keep

Excuse me did someone ask you to join something? Inject fear? I don't see how. Can you illustrate? All I personally asked is for people to fight this bill.

 

[autosurgeon]

You ask for help... you don't get the help you asked for or expected. So then you resort to innuendo about possible legislation that MIGHT be coming down the pipe to restrict OC.

My feeling from previous experience is this is a tactic designed to elicit help though fear. The NRA and other organizations unrelated to firearms have been doing this for years...

Sorry I have seen this sort of behavior before and I do not buy it. Either post who said what or it is just hearsay.

 

[goarep]

Wake up, get your head out of where you shouldn't have it, look at who I said, said what! There is no mystery here. Had you shown up to Lansing you would know.

Don't tell me some nonsense about why you are a doubting Thomas. That doesn't make any sense!

 

[Haman J.T.]

Wake up, get your head out of where you shouldn't have it, look at who I said, said what! There is no mystery here. Had you shown up to Lansing you would know.

Don't tell me some nonsense about why you are a doubting Thomas. That doesn't make any sense!

There's no need to wait for specifics when it comes to anti-gun forces,who are working daily in Lansing and DC,under darkness(media coverage nill).
Introducing new gun laws always adds confusion to the courts and the average citizen,who cannot afford to go to court every time a LEO charges him with a vague or nonexistent law(Evilcreamcicle incident).Our goal is to repeal or eliminate all the gun laws that are intended to disarm and control the citizens,not to allow more gun-control technicalities!How easy is it to educate citizens on our laws now?We have to refer them to this and other forums in order to educate them with the equivalence of a college law class,for a simple right to keep and bear arms,where there are no restrictions as our constitutions state! Thats why we need to deny anti-gun legislators and those "pro-gun morons and liars" the ability to add unconstitutional gun laws to the books!Thats as simple as it gets!

 

[TheQ]

How would the committee plan to get this through a Republican House, Senate, Governor and a conservative Supreme Court?

Until I see specifics, I call fear mongering like the others.

 

[TheQ]

Also, last I knew the legislature adjourned last week. The bill still doesn't show repassing the Senate. This means the bill died with the Senate session. Those wishing to try again will have to do so next year and start all over again from the beginning.

 

[goarep]

Until I see specifics, I call fear mongering like the others

Ham,you are right on. People who call this fear mongering is what makes gun rights advocates ineffective and dormant. By the time they figure out the threat is real their gun rights are all gone and they're standing there with the famous O.J Simpson look on their face.

This is the same apathetic view that happened when they were warned of this legislation. What happened? This thing went sailing through. Now they want to dream "oh, no, it's not happening, it's fear mongering". I feel very sorry as the bible says "my people die for lack of knowledge". But the below quote sums their position up well in my opinion.

Q By the way, not trying to alarm, wake you or even disturb you . . . . The bill already passed the Senate FIRST! That was the reason for originating it there!

 

[TheQ]

Q By the way, not trying to alarm, wake you or even disturb you . . . . The bill already passed the Senate FIRST! That was the reason for originating it there!

The house changed it, ergo the Senate would need to repass it. They failed to do so before the session ended. Ergo, ding dong, the bill is dead!

Sorry to spoil your panic...

 

[goarep]

Obviously not (I) Q

The House agreed to the full title.

The bill was referred to the Clerk for enrollment printing and presentation to the Governor.

So stick your panic where the sun don't shine!

 

[TheQ]

The House agreed to the full title.

The bill was referred to the Clerk for enrollment printing and presentation to the Governor.

So stick your panic where the sun don't shine!

Citation?

ETA: I looked at the bill today. The log has been updated. It looks like the Senate reviewed the amendments made by the house on the same day and passed it.

Question is, has Jenny signed it yet? If the legislature passes a joint resolution to Sine Die before 14 days or before she signs it, the bill will be pocket veto'd.

I noted the House vote was 60/40. 2/3rds is required to give immediate effect, which they somehow got. This means some of the 40 people who voted against it voted to give it immediate effect *eye rolls* politics.

 

[Haman J.T.]

I'll put it simply like this.

Aprox-1789 to early 60's -Average citizen walks into hardware store,buys handgun,buys ammo,loads gun,puts gun in pocket and leaves,24/7 protection.

68' until now-Average citizen does not know legaly how buy handgun and carry it for 24/7 protection,due to hundreds of gun-control laws on books.

1AD to now-evil citizen(criminal or government employee) buys handgun from fellow evil citizen,carries 24/7.

Which citizen is effected most by gun-control laws?
Which citizen has lost their freedom?

 

[goarep]

No Q, you were very wrong! Ding Dong!

You said "The house changed it, ergo the Senate would need to repass it. They failed to do so before the session ended" . You were wrong!

Then come come out here attacking me on this board with some non sense about starting a panic? All I have been doing was trying to notify some folks.

Hopefully that perceived panic educated you! I'm sure Paul Revere was just panicking people people to the other 97% who enjoyed living under the King's rule.

 

[Bailenforcer]

Get used to it, THE-Q admittedly is a State of Michigan employee and I and others know where his loyalty lies, and in my never to be humble opinion it isn't with the Constitution as he well demonstrates over and over siding with the State. He won't change his stripes, he knows who is feeding him.

This is why I never trust any Government employee, and I wonder how it is that he claims he must be at work at 9:00 AM yet is on this board 9:30 AM and beyond on this site much of the day. Most places would fire you for this, IT dept or not.

You said "The house changed it, ergo the Senate would need to repass it. They failed to do so before the session ended" . You were wrong!

Then come come out here attacking me on this board with some non sense about starting a panic? All I have been doing was trying to notify some folks.

Hopefully that perceived panic educated you! I'm sure Paul Revere was just panicking people people to the other 97% who enjoyed living under the King's rule.

 

[Bailenforcer]

Well put...

I'll put it simply like this.

Aprox-1789 to early 60's -Average citizen walks into hardware store,buys handgun,buys ammo,loads gun,puts gun in pocket and leaves,24/7 protection.

68' until now-Average citizen does not know legaly how buy handgun and carry it for 24/7 protection,due to hundreds of gun-control laws on books.

1AD to now-evil citizen(criminal or government employee) buys handgun from fellow evil citizen,carries 24/7.

Which citizen is effected most by gun-control laws?
Which citizen has lost their freedom?