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Re: URGENT! Please remind your friends, post at gun clubs and shops. Thank You!

TheQ

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Sec. 14. (1) Subject 1 to section SECTIONS 5g AND 14A, all pistols, weapons, or devices carried or possessed contrary to this act are declared forfeited to the state, and shall be turned over to the director of the department of state police or his or her
designated representative, for disposal under this section.

This means you couldn't carry bow&full quiver, riffle, or a kitchen knife (at an outdoor picnic). This interpretation will never stand. If it did, they've effectively outlawed hunting unless you have a CPL. There are FAR too many hunters in Michigan to let that happen.
 

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This means you couldn't carry bow&full quiver, riffle, or a kitchen knife (at an outdoor picnic). This interpretation will never stand. If it did, they've effectively outlawed hunting unless you have a CPL. There are FAR too many hunters in Michigan to let that happen.

Read it again.


Sec. 14. (1) Subject 1 to section SECTIONS 5g AND 14A, all pistols, weapons, or devices carried or possessed contrary to this act are declared forfeited to the state, and shall be turned over to the director of the department of state police or his or her
designated representative, for disposal under this section.

If you are caught carrying a pistol, weapon, or device contrary to the law, i.e. illegally, it becomes forfeit. That is the law as it stands right now but now all local PDs send any confiscated weapons to the MSP for disposal. So right now there is no monetary incentive for local PDs to seize firearms. If these bills pass each local PD will be able to use confisctated firearms to gain money, equipment, or both. Like I said earlier, if you want somebody to do something make it profitable. If these pass the temptation to abuse the law to fill the city's bank account becomes too great.

As has been said it is already happening with property seized during drug raids. In the book The Tyranny Of Good Intentions the author writes about how officers have staged drug buys on a piece of property desired by the city. Once a drug bust takes place they can seize EVERYTHING connected to it, even the property it was held on. There is a case in that book of a woman's home being seized because, unbeknownst to her, her child had a party with underage drinking. The laws in that area allowed the seizure of any property connected to ANY crime.

Once laws like this are put in place the abuse is bound to follow.

Bronson
 

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http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/111025129.html

Why worry if another law gets passed?
 

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Same here one was a Smith Model 29 with a 1/2 " barrel, and in a presentation case as it was one of those used in the filming of Dirty Harry. A Smith model 439, and a Jennings 22.
With the new law They would place an obscure reference on a site and I would be held responsible to visit that site daily. I call BULLSH*T on this law as it is THEIR responsibility as OUR SERVANTS getting paid by OUR money (taxes) to do a job we hired them to do which they now want to get paid to not do and be immune from the liability of their CRIMINAL actions. This law is CRIMINAL. They are in fact turning on the very hand that feeds them literally.


I can see this from experience.3 guns stolen from my home in 92',gave serial #s on all 3 for sheriffs report,haven't heard from them since!Another bad gun law!
 

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Being a target by the ones in power for my not so quiet views also shapes my attitudes. But instead of backing down they make me more resolute.


Bailenforcer, I have a huge amount of respect for you. The disaster that history can sometimes be has given you a priceless education to form your opinions. The world is better off for individuals zealous over their rights as you are.

Ham, you are so correct! it will be a very short time before the public comes screaming but guess what? It is now too late! These gun rights (anti) activists are now beneath the heal of the juggernaut. It's a downhill slope from here. Hate to say it but true.

They feel since they had such big wins last election everybody can go to hell. They are here to serve the authorities, not the peasant. In two years all will be forgotten and the duefus voter will once again select people who always favor the demise of our rights.
 

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If we didn't break the mold, your stamp would ensure our freedom!

God Bless
 

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Did this thing go through, or not?

I just spoke to a clerk in the Hon. Meadows' office. She will be finding out what action was taken on this bill and emailing me.

ETA: the clerk tells me SB 212 was passed "favorably" out of committee and was referred to the whole House for second reading today.

Short answer: bad news for those concerned on this thread.
 

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Here's how the committee voted:

Yeas: Reps. Meadows, Lipton, Lisa Brown, Byrnes, Constan, Corriveau, Kandrevas and Warren

Nays: Reps. Amash and Rick Jones
 
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The legislation passed the House but the house made some amendments that would force the Local LEA to contact the owner and give them a chance to claim it if it was reported stolen. If the serial number is obliterated, they LEA would have to send the firearm to the MSP Forensics lab for Serial Number determination/restoration -- and then contact the owner.

The bill is back in the hands of the Senate to pass since it didn't pass the house in the exact same form that it passed the Senate.
 

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The legislation passed the House but the house made some amendments that would force the Local LEA to contact the owner and give them a chance to claim it if it was reported stolen. If the serial number is obliterated, they LEA would have to send the firearm to the MSP Forensics lab for Serial Number determination/restoration -- and then contact the owner.

The bill is back in the hands of the Senate to pass since it didn't pass the house in the exact same form that it passed the Senate.
Well that's an improvement
 

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Well that's an improvement?

Losing more rights and sending the authorities on a "shopping spree" for ANY violation is an improvement? Maybe taking half your guns and not all of them is an improvement too.

I didn't see anyone from this board in Lansing, so I don't see how anyone could contend they were "listening to you". It would be an irony to say someone listened yet passed this law. I would contrarily say that they listened to those who want your property.
 

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It is clearly a violation of the Constitution to seize any property without just compensation. Why can't people get their mind around this? And seizure is limited to eminent domain issues only. They can't just take!


http://www.castlecoalition.org/



Losing more rights and sending the authorities on a "shopping spree" for ANY violation is an improvement? Maybe taking half your guns and not all of them is an improvement too.

I didn't see anyone from this board in Lansing, so I don't see how anyone could contend they were "listening to you". It would be an irony to say someone listened yet passed this law. I would contrarily say that they listened to those who want your property.
 

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Losing more rights and sending the authorities on a "shopping spree" for ANY violation is an improvement? Maybe taking half your guns and not all of them is an improvement too.

I didn't see anyone from this board in Lansing, so I don't see how anyone could contend they were "listening to you". It would be an irony to say someone listened yet passed this law. I would contrarily say that they listened to those who want your property.

First there is no board for this site. It's owned by two guys from Virginia.

Just because you didn't see anyone there doesn't mean they were not there. Also many may have emailed their reps in opposition.

And these are improvements on this bad statute. So the previous statements are valid. Still a horrible proposed law, but they added a bit of sugar to the poison.
 
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