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Rally in Chesapeake for the guy held in accidental police shooting.

LEO 229

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worrbaron wrote:
I do not think there is any harm in doing so, but if it is not easy for him to do so or wise, then why would he do it? Again we do not know all the facts and I am very interested in finding out the hows and the whys to this, but I am not going to immediately jump and say this man is a cop killer when from what I have read he was shocked to learn that he had shot a cop.
I think he did not know it was the police...

IMO... He was just "dumb" and just started shooting.

Maybe he believed that anyone intruding into his house deserved to be killed. Maybe he felt that he was not compelled by any state laws to call out and try to scare the person off. His house... his right to kill anyone at the door.
 

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LEO 229 wrote:
This is so true....

I have busted so many criminals that did the crime to get drug money. The victimless crime almost ALWAYS involved stealing YOUR property to feedTHEIR victimlesshabit.
I know plenty of people that smoke pot that have never stolen, so by my anecdotal evidence, no one has ever stolen to fund their drug habbit and it is victimless.

Sorry, stealing is a crime that has victims. Smoking dope has no victims but yourself.
 

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The people that I know that use chemicals do it in their own home and do not go out under the influence or hysterical as to not attract attention to themselves. But there are morons everywhere so your point stands.
 

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worrbaron wrote:
The people that I know that use chemicals do it in their own home and do not go out under the influence or hysterical as to not attract attention to themselves. But their are morons everywhere so your point stands.
No doubt there are morons everywhere :lol:
 

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The Lie Detector



hsmith wrote:
You are living in a dream world if you don't think that people cooking your food might be high ......





False.





hsmith wrote:
.........Doing drugs is generally victimless..........





False.





hsmith wrote:
........stealing from someone to fund your drug habbit isn't something that should be punished under drug laws............





False.





hsmith wrote:
...........The whole war on drugs has failed, it gets people killed.






False.





hsmith wrote:
No doubt there are morons everywhere :lol:



True. (see above)







Just the truth.





Tarzan
 

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Taclead wrote:
LEO, while I agree we should not submit this person for sainthood, we also should not yet claim him guilty.

Also, since when does a homeowner have to call out and warn that he is armed. This is not a requirement anywhere that I am aware of.

Also, someone "knocking down" a door can be perceived as an imminent danger. Anyone willing to knock down the door to get in is a threat. Why on earth would I wait until the threat got fully into my hometo defend myself? Where is the line?

One foot inside the door? 2 feet? 2 yards? Is someone crawling throughan openwindow a threat or do I have to wait until they are fully inside the house and have an opportunity to adjust to the dark and get out their weapon before I defend myself? Maybe I should give them a blueprint of the house first and tell them when I will and will not be home. Your implications that I should wait until the threat is fully realised and prepared to face me is silly. This isn't supposed to be fair. The adversaries do not first weigh in then set a time for a confrontation on equivalent terms.
You are old enough to draw your own conclusions... You know that "people" will quickly judge others and decide innocence or guilt based on the limited information given.

Many people here love to post.. "Innocent till proven guilty..." My God man!! He said he shot theguy not knowing he was a cop... so we can no longer find him completely innocent can we?

But in the end.. Innocence and Guilt will be determined by a jury and not us.

Just because there is no law written saying it is required does not mean your not culpable for your actions!!

If I am about to blow the horn and your head is under the hood.. is it not right to warn you first?? There is no law that says I must but there is no harm is telling you. You couldreceive hearing loss or jump back and injure yourself.

Point is.... you may beexpected to take certain actions regardless if you are required to do so by law or not. I am sure a jury will not like hearing he had the opportunity to call out but shot blindly at the people on the other side of the door.
 

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hsmith wrote:
LEO 229 wrote:
This is so true....

I have busted so many criminals that did the crime to get drug money. The victimless crime almost ALWAYS involved stealing YOUR property to feedTHEIR victimlesshabit.
I know plenty of people that smoke pot that have never stolen, so by my anecdotal evidence, no one has ever stolen to fund their drug habbit and it is victimless.

Sorry, stealing is a crime that has victims. Smoking dope has no victims but yourself.

And if your truely believe that pot smokers do not steal you are blind to what really happens in the world. ;)

I am sure you are not that stupid.
 

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tarzan1888 wrote:
The Lie Detector



hsmith wrote:
You are living in a dream world if you don't think that people cooking your food might be high ......
False.

hsmith wrote:
.........Doing drugs is generally victimless..........
False.

hsmith wrote:
........stealing from someone to fund your drug habbit isn't something that should be punished under drug laws............
False.

hsmith wrote:
...........The whole war on drugs has failed, it gets people killed.
False.

hsmith wrote:
No doubt there are morons everywhere :lol:
True. (see above)

Just the truth.

Tarzan
You didn't provide one argument and you made a personal attack.

Congrats on failing.
 

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tarzan1888 wrote:
"Rally in Chesapeake for the guy held in accidental police shooting."

This was no accidental shooting. He knew exactly what he was doing he just didn't know who was on the other side of the door.
That's the point exactly!!! This was no "accident". We don't know all the facts that surround this shooting and I don't think we should "rally" to his defense!!! I also don't think we should have a "rally" to condemn the guy. I personally think he was totally wrong to shoot through a door when he didn't know his target, but a "rally" at this point to condem him or support him should not take place. He will be given due process and tried by a jury. Let the jury decide as they will be given the facts to make a decision.
 
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