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Presidential Election
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Beretta92FSLady
Regular Member
Republicans have been running on the whole 'anyone but President Obama'. How's it working out for Republicans (?) -- not well at all.
Beretta92FSLady
Regular Member
I agree. Republicans are searching for some savior outside of their current line-up. Paul will suffice; I am merely pointing out, on occassion lol, that Paul ought to run third party. Paul would pluck from both sides, and in the middle, IMO.
georg jetson
Regular Member
You got it.
This ain't about getting Obama out. It's about getting someone in that will get the momentum going the other way.
Beretta92FSLady
Regular Member
Here is just one issue with the Republicans running right now; and it's going down like this: Anything but Obama...anything but Romney...anything but Santorum...blah blah blah blah blah blah.
News flash...you can't run on "anything but..." and expect to win.
Santorum is diving into contraception, bad bad bad.,
Romney is diving into the auto industry ought to have not been helped.
Gingrich is, well, Gingritch (however you spell his last name).
Paul, WRONG TICKET! (I hate using CAPS)
Tawnos
Regular Member
I find Santorum to be more of a threat than Obama.
hermannr
Regular Member
Don't totally discount Dr. Paul. It is statistically possible for him to win. Next Saturday I will be at our local caucas and will support the delegate that stands for Paul, and if none (I assume there will be several) I will stand for him myself, as I have before.
Remember, in many of these caucus states the beauty contest means nothing. Delegate strength is where it is at. The last time there were several people for Ron, and many more for others...however, we managed to get our people elected as delegates to teh county caucas, and none of the other candidates mannage to get anyone...unfortunately, in 1988, and again in 2008 it was too little, too late.
My prediction: ID will go out and out for Ron Paul, and WA will have a substantial Ron Paul delegation. I may be one of them. We'll see come Saturday. How the WA beauty contest will play out...really don't care...the beauty contest is all smoke and mirrors anyway. Really happy we do not have a primary here this year, Ron's delegate count sould benifit.
The one contest I really want to watch is VA. One on one with Romney...what will be the outcome? There are a lot of people that are afraid of Ron Paul because they are dependent on government income, then again, there are a lot of people who would rather not have Romney. VA will be an interesting state to watch. The gecko and sanctorium did it to themselves not getting on the ballot. Oh, did I spell his name wrong? Sorry (not)
Remember, in many of these caucus states the beauty contest means nothing. Delegate strength is where it is at. The last time there were several people for Ron, and many more for others...however, we managed to get our people elected as delegates to teh county caucas, and none of the other candidates mannage to get anyone...unfortunately, in 1988, and again in 2008 it was too little, too late.
My prediction: ID will go out and out for Ron Paul, and WA will have a substantial Ron Paul delegation. I may be one of them. We'll see come Saturday. How the WA beauty contest will play out...really don't care...the beauty contest is all smoke and mirrors anyway. Really happy we do not have a primary here this year, Ron's delegate count sould benifit.
The one contest I really want to watch is VA. One on one with Romney...what will be the outcome? There are a lot of people that are afraid of Ron Paul because they are dependent on government income, then again, there are a lot of people who would rather not have Romney. VA will be an interesting state to watch. The gecko and sanctorium did it to themselves not getting on the ballot. Oh, did I spell his name wrong? Sorry (not)
deepdiver
Campaign Veteran
I think that most people are afraid of Ron Paul because of his foreign policy positions, although I admit he did comport himself well on that topic during the portion of the last debate I caught. But after a decade of considering Paul and talking to people about him it has consistently been his foreign policy that comes up as the deal-breaker. Not trying to debate his positions but rather commenting on my opinion as to what factor will keep him out of the White House.
I am a Not-Romney supporter. But then I'm even more of a Not-Newt supporter. Unfortunately, I don't like Santorum for the job either. I voted for Santorum in the primary as a protest vote to Romney as did numerous people I know in MO. In fact, looks like the whole state did. Many of us think that Romney is electable and has potential, however, our hope that he would resolve the rectal-cranial inversion on several issues has not materialized despite the drubbing of that day.
Until 3-4 weeks ago, I was inclined to a 3rd party "protest vote" in November if the GOP gave us Romney/Santorum/Newt. But now, after weeks more reading and thinking, I am voting against Obama and necessarily, in the current system, for whoever the GOP candidate. There is just too much at stake with SCOTUS appointments and a few other matters. So I have now resolved myself to walking away from the ballot box nauseous and sad once again. If Obama weren't a fascist I might be able to bring myself to still cast that protest vote, but I think he is too dangerous as a lame duck.
I hope and pray that at least one time in my life I can vote FOR a candidate instead of against the other ones. I was hopeful with Fred and this time with Caine and obviously sorely disappointed both times as things turned out. Fortunately, for 2016 there is a deep bench - Jindal, Rand Paul, Rubio, Allen West - as long as they don't self-destruct. This all makes me sad. Even as this campaign heats up I am so dispirited that I actually have been following politics and related analysis less than at any other period in the last nearly 20 years. It just doesn't matter anymore. I voted in the primary. I'm voting Not-Obama in the election. I have no other input in the choices at this point so it is just a matter of waiting until November and trying to not throw-up afterwards even if Obama thankfully loses.
Tawnos
Regular Member
Would love to see it, but not crossing my fingers.
Dreamer
Regular Member
Paul is runing in the Republican primaries for 2 reasons:
1) that's where the money is (Libertarians don't have a very big "war chest"),
and 2) it's the ONLY way that ANYONE will bring up any REAL issues in the primaries, instead of just lobbing softball distractions at each other...
Tell everyone you meet:
Ron WILL win--if YOU vote for him.
Don't buy the propaganda that the Mushroom Media is shoveling...
DangerClose
Regular Member
Since you're so keen on that, you go ahead and do it.
What do you think is Libertarian about Ron Paul? Pretty much all his "libertarian" stuff is simply constitutional stuff.
Obama is against raising the debt ceiling, higher taxes, more spending, Patriot Act, NDAA, TSA, gun control....?
New Rasmussen poll has Paul and Romney beating Obama by 2%, Santorum and Newt lose to Obama.
Here's a crowd of over 4000 in Michigan the other day at a Paul rally, btw:
[video=youtube;o9iEtZnrb3M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9iEtZnrb3M[/video]
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Beretta92FSLady
Regular Member
Yup; but he is running on a party ticket, unfortunately.
Those whopping 30 OCDO votes aren't going to get him elected, any more than his whopping 19 delegates has will get him the nomination.
Beretta92FSLady
Regular Member
There is an unsettling reality setting in with Republicans as the weeks pass; hell, there are individuals looking around wondering if someone else is going to jump in last minute (Christie, Bush,...). I am not calling the election, there is a number of months to go. But the Republicans better get their COLLECTIVE butts in gear or they are going to be in big trouble come November.
I stated it before, a number of times: Republicans, DO NOT tip to far to the Right, or you will be in trouble, running for an office, in a Country that is moderate. Republicans ought to make a major shift, quick, or they are going to lose by big numbers on November 6th. I firmly believe they overplayed their political hand all of these years attempting to undermine Obama through undermineing the economy, and attempting to erode the incremental evolution of our society.
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As usual, my point went completely ignored.
Beretta92FSLady
Regular Member
As relevant as you, and myself, wish this poll to be, it isn't. If this is reflective of the political demographic of America then Paul ought to be much further ahead; shouldn't he?
I am glad to know that I am not the only one who voted for President Obama in this poll.
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