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Poll about the perfomance of Walker

msteinhilber

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Thanks Gov. Walker for the CCL, No thanks for cutting my paycheck and denying me a raise.

Private sector non-union chiming in... haven't had a raise in 5 years now unless you count that "pay increase" back to my pre-2008 wage that I received about a year after getting my wages significantly reduced when the economy first tanked significantly. Who was governor back then...
 

DangerClose

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I feel Walker needs to get out before he really messes up this state even worse than he already has.I am very glad he favored concealed carry,but feel he did it in desperation to get votes.All else he does I have seen hurt so many people in this state.He is not a straight shooter by no means.

Walker is the best thing that's happened to WI in a long time.

And for people who think he could have been better on this or that, rightly so, but the statement still stands.

I guess depending on your perspective that's exactly what he did.

:lol:
 

paul@paul-fisher.com

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I feel Walker needs to get out before he really messes up this state even worse than he already has.I am very glad he favored concealed carry,but feel he did it in desperation to get votes.All else he does I have seen hurt so many people in this state.He is not a straight shooter by no means.


Pffft... A balanced budget doesn't seem very messed up to me.
 

Fast Ed

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The agency I work for ... The Dept. of Corrections ... is having a difficult time hiring enough officers to fill vacant positions. The starting pay is ok. ($14.89 per hour) However when new people weigh the takehome pay with the potential risks involved working in a maximum security prison some move on. The public sector seems to have difficulty understanding that collective bargaining helped address safety issues.

I know enough about the DOC pay provisions, especially overtime, to know that the rank and file officer was being hosed by the most senior members. With the new work rules in place, the average officers pay could go up, while the most senior officers that ALWAYS had first pick of the overtime, may go down. The new rules mandate that everyone gets a shot at overtime, not just the guys at the top of the seniority list.

Fast Ed
 

Captain Nemo

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Interesting how we embrace those things of special interest to us and condem those which seem to be in opposition. We get so tunneled visioned that we are akin to a mule wearing blinders. I echo the comment that Walker is the best thing in politics to have happened to Wisconsin in a long time. Is he perfect, hardly, the last perfect person died two.thousand and twelve years ago. His track record speaks for itself. If some detractors would step back and be pragmatic they would see the forest.

In regards to concealed carry. Some think he endorsed concealed carry as a gesture of grandstanding. May I remind those skeptics that he did more than sign a concealed carry law. He also signed an overhaul to vehicle carry and he signed the "castle doctrine" law. We have made more gun-rights progress since he has been in office than in the past 140 years.

In regard to his treatment of unions , the goring of that ox seems to be the most contentious. I don't personally own a piece of that ox so can only comment as an outsider, but I do have my opinion of the union/manufacturer environment.

At a point in time unions were essentiaal to the quality of life. If not for unions Americans would have been living at the poverty level and working in unfit conditions for unknown time. Unfortunately the unions got obsessed with greed and the thirst for power. That obsession was central in pricing the American workers out of the world labor market. Many companies faced with high labor wages, worker benefits and enviromental control costs saw their businesses go unprofitable. They had little choice but to go offshore or go under. The export of jobs is the number one cause of the country and our states economic disaster. The loss of blue collar jobs has been distructive.

Many manufacturers would like to come back to America. There is no question that the productivity and quality of work produced by American workers is second to no other country, but, the jobs won't come back unless there is an overhaul of the labor market. Walker in a small way is awakening that realization. Meanwhile there are many that are blind to that fact people standing too close to the trees to see the forest and only upset because their ox has been gored.

Some criticize Walker's boldness because they have had their salary reduced. I venture to say that they are still making considerably more than about $250 a week unemployment. So go ahead and vote for a competitor and go back to politics as usual.
 

revolverrandy

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Interesting how we embrace those things of special interest to us and condem those which seem to be in opposition. We get so tunneled visioned that we are akin to a mule wearing blinders. I echo the comment that Walker is the best thing in politics to have happened to Wisconsin in a long time. Is he perfect, hardly, the last perfect person died two.thousand and twelve years ago. His track record speaks for itself. If some detractors would step back and be pragmatic they would see the forest.

In regards to concealed carry. Some think he endorsed concealed carry as a gesture of grandstanding. May I remind those skeptics that he did more than sign a concealed carry law. He also signed an overhaul to vehicle carry and he signed the "castle doctrine" law. We have made more gun-rights progress since he has been in office than in the past 140 years.

In regard to his treatment of unions , the goring of that ox seems to be the most contentious. I don't personally own a piece of that ox so can only comment as an outsider, but I do have my opinion of the union/manufacturer environment.

At a point in time unions were essentiaal to the quality of life. If not for unions Americans would have been living at the poverty level and working in unfit conditions for unknown time. Unfortunately the unions got obsessed with greed and the thirst for power. That obsession was central in pricing the American workers out of the world labor market. Many companies faced with high labor wages, worker benefits and enviromental control costs saw their businesses go unprofitable. They had little choice but to go offshore or go under. The export of jobs is the number one cause of the country and our states economic disaster. The loss of blue collar jobs has been distructive.

Many manufacturers would like to come back to America. There is no question that the productivity and quality of work produced by American workers is second to no other country, but, the jobs won't come back unless there is an overhaul of the labor market. Walker in a small way is awakening that realization. Meanwhile there are many that are blind to that fact people standing too close to the trees to see the forest and only upset because their ox has been gored.

Some criticize Walker's boldness because they have had their salary reduced. I venture to say that they are still making considerably more than about $250 a week unemployment. So go ahead and vote for a competitor and go back to politics as usual.



As much as I am glad for the concealed carry,I would give it up to have things back to where they were before Walker came in.Carrying a firearm doesn't seem as important as eating and having a place to live.
 

metalman383

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As much as I am glad for the concealed carry,I would give it up to have things back to where they were before Walker came in.Carrying a firearm doesn't seem as important as eating and having a place to live.

Back to where we were? You are absolutely right! If we just keep spending money we don't have on entitlements, and useless programs, it would be much better. Ask California how it feels to be bankrupt. Walker has done some very great things for WI. We need a man like Walker running for president.
 

oliverclotheshoff

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Back to where we were? You are absolutely right! If we just keep spending money we don't have on entitlements, and useless programs, it would be much better. Ask California how it feels to be bankrupt. Walker has done some very great things for WI. We need a man like Walker running for president.


agreed

also capt nemo great post
and to add onto it do we really need union anymore with dept of workforce dev., OSHA, and im sure some other work relate agencies protecting the employee in the work environment? I dont think so

i was union at one time yeah it was great to get extremely high pay and free health ins among other benefits but enough is enough i eventually took a job at half the pay and having to pay for 60% of my healthcare to get away from all the union BS politics
 

RR_Broccoli

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I don't particularly like the cronyism that seems to follow Walker around.

On the other hand, I am 100% certain if Barrett had been elected governor, we would not have CCW right now, and would probably be well on the way to criminalizing open carry.

Over the long term, it's good to knock the idiots in Madison and Milwaukee off their political high horse and make them focus on stuff that isn't all about spending sixty gazillion on "green" transportation technologies that will do nothing but let inner city ghetto Milwaukee get to less ghetto-y Madison.

So, trade massive waste of money plus CCW for much bigger massive waste of money, and Walker is a no brainer.
 

msteinhilber

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As much as I am glad for the concealed carry,I would give it up to have things back to where they were before Walker came in.Carrying a firearm doesn't seem as important as eating and having a place to live.

So you're homeless and hungry?

Wisconsin had two choices, make cuts (Walker) or elect a liberal who would spend spend spend - both choices lead to sacrifices needing to be made but the latter of the two would require more drastic sacrifices - take a look at the states with the worst debts and you'll find the majority have a history of electing some of the most liberal politicians.
 

bigdaddy1

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I don't particularly like the cronyism that seems to follow Walker around.


I always thought that was funny. Why is it considered bad to surround yourself with people you can trust and feel are capable of doing a job? If I was looking for an employee to fill a position why wouldn't I look toward people I know? I know that some think it "payment" for their support during an election. Anyway that is a part of our system, and unless the person "hired" is totally unqualified, or the job has some ridiculous pay or gets some extreme raise its expected. Is it right? Maybe not, is it legal? Seems that way.
 

revolverrandy

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So you're homeless and hungry?

Wisconsin had two choices, make cuts (Walker) or elect a liberal who would spend spend spend - both choices lead to sacrifices needing to be made but the latter of the two would require more drastic sacrifices - take a look at the states with the worst debts and you'll find the majority have a history of electing some of the most liberal politicians.


I believe this was a poll to view our opinions on Walkers performance.That is what I have done.If because you do not share or like my opinions of the guy,doesn't mean we should turn this into a personal attack or take cheap shots at one another.Seeing where this is going and headed,I am not going to feed into a battle of insults towards each other. Not wasting my time going there.
 

msteinhilber

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I believe this was a poll to view our opinions on Walkers performance.That is what I have done.If because you do not share or like my opinions of the guy,doesn't mean we should turn this into a personal attack or take cheap shots at one another.Seeing where this is going and headed,I am not going to feed into a battle of insults towards each other. Not wasting my time going there.

I didn't at all attack you, it was you who implied that carrying a firearm to you was not as important as having a home or food on your table so I was trying to determine if you are actually homeless and/or hungry now and if you are not then your statement really means nothing. I understand though, it's common of the anti-Walker crowd to run away from a debate when you have to use real hard facts rather than what if's and lies - there, that may be construed as a personal attack...
 

revolverrandy

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I didn't at all attack you, it was you who implied that carrying a firearm to you was not as important as having a home or food on your table so I was trying to determine if you are actually homeless and/or hungry now and if you are not then your statement really means nothing. I understand though, it's common of the anti-Walker crowd to run away from a debate when you have to use real hard facts rather than what if's and lies - there, that may be construed as a personal attack...

I think you've just reinforced my reasoning why I will not continue with this.Discussing Walker or a topic is one thing,but belittling or disrespecting other members/posters just goes off topic and is not going anywhere good
 

paul@paul-fisher.com

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I think you've just reinforced my reasoning why I will not continue with this.Discussing Walker or a topic is one thing,but belittling or disrespecting other members/posters just goes off topic and is not going anywhere good

So.... you coming into the discussion saying, in effect, that Walker made you lose your house and you can't eat is OK and we, trying to understand how he did it is a personal attack?

I am seriously interested in knowing what policy of Walker caused you to lose your house and stop eating?
 

msteinhilber

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So.... you coming into the discussion saying, in effect, that Walker made you lose your house and you can't eat is OK and we, trying to understand how he did it is a personal attack?

I am seriously interested in knowing what policy of Walker caused you to lose your house and stop eating?

I'm also interested, I don't know too many homeless and hungry people who have time to spare posting on an Internet forum.
 
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