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Pickin a Fight about Training!
- Thread starter CalicoJack10
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Big Dipper
Regular Member
grinner
Regular Member
This is false! The majority on this forum already carry a gun, at least semi-regularly. How many of us haven't taken the time to educate ourselves? (my wording for "training") My guess is most of us have educated ourselves either via formal training or other methods.
The only thing the permit does is allow us to carry concealed, and in a couple more places that we couldn't carry before. We've already been carrying. And we've already educated ourselves without any gov't mandate to do so.
XD40-OD
Campaign Veteran
agreed
oak1971
Regular Member
Lurchiron
Regular Member
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Lurchiron
Regular Member
XD40-OD
Campaign Veteran
Pride of service is not the same as bragging.
Your opinion means nothing to me, as you likely have done nothing, for anyone, and I have no desire to hear your pointless posts further.
Ignoreville - you
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hardballer
Regular Member
First and foremost, let me say: I love cheeseburgers.
Next, I would love to go through training. Either Thunder Ranch, Front Sight or any of the several other schools that are excellent. Can't afford it. So instead, I read Col. Cooper and I watch: Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Way of the Gun and last man standing... on a regular basis.
Next, I abide by these rules:
U.S. Marine Corps Rules:
1. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
2. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
3. Have a plan.
4. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won't work.
5. Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
6. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a "4."
7. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral & diagonal preferred.)
9. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
10. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
13. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot or moving your azz.
Good to go.
Hardballer out!
P.S. I am seriously considering the purchase of all the Miami Vice episodes...
Next, I would love to go through training. Either Thunder Ranch, Front Sight or any of the several other schools that are excellent. Can't afford it. So instead, I read Col. Cooper and I watch: Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Way of the Gun and last man standing... on a regular basis.
Next, I abide by these rules:
U.S. Marine Corps Rules:
1. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
2. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
3. Have a plan.
4. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won't work.
5. Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
6. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a "4."
7. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral & diagonal preferred.)
9. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
10. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
13. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot or moving your azz.
Good to go.
Hardballer out!
P.S. I am seriously considering the purchase of all the Miami Vice episodes...
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Lurchiron
Regular Member
Nobody dissed your service Jugghead; only the fact that you claim all Marines have more training most civilians...hardly a backable claim, eh???
View attachment 6152 So quit looking so disgruntled and have another beer...It's the 4th by God!!!
CalicoJack10
Regular Member
OK XD40, I get it, you don't like the fact that I think the NRA needs to stop staring at their colon, stop playing politics, and start standing up for what we paid them (I am a life member) to do.
So I will offer you this, and you will be the only one that can cash in on this offer. I will teach you the NRA's courses. Basic Pistol, PPITH and PPOTH, then we can set up and I will teach you my BASIC defensive firearms curriculum, and we will see if you think that the NRA is half azzing their training. And we will see if the NRA can stand up to that. And the only thing you will have to do is come up here, and provide your own equipment, hotel and food.
And when you are done, when I have surpassed even the qualification standards of the
United States Marine Corps with my BASIC course, you have to get on here and post a new thread eating your words. I am more than willing to put up every step of the way. No turn coat BS, and no NRA politics to cloud the issue.
I am issuing a full blown challenge, so it is time to man up or admit you are just looking for a reason to find little parts of long statements to try and discredit someone who thinks that the more training WE get, the better off we are in the long run.
Do I believe in the 2nd amendment, I would not have put my life on the line for my country if I didn't believe in our god given rights. What you say I seem to believe is based on little statements that are taken out of context when you ignore the rest of the statement. Let me give you an example:
"I don't believe that people should own guns without making sure they are not violent felons."
That does not mean that I don't believe people should own guns, it means I believe criminals should be disarmed.
My job is not to create a buddy buddy position with anyone who might want to take a course or learn to better defend themselves. My job is to make sure that people who come to me for training leave with the ability to defend and survive without loosing their lives, loved ones, or any innocent bystanders. I teach a firearms course that is designed to get people to be effective and keep within their natural movements, not try and press people into a mold that is general enough that most people may fit. I don't push a money making course, I am still offering more than the NRA does with their advanced courses. I also take the time to to work with people one on one, and not throw several people up on a line and push them through like an assembly line. Each person has their own intricacies, and a good instructor takes the time to deal with each of them in order to better prepare someone to defend themselves. And I will not even get started on the psychological side of self defense.
There seems to be an idea that I am pushing some kind of mandatory training, or that I am anti gun, but that is based on pure ignorance. I am against Mandatory Training, and I am encouraging people to get out there and get as much training as possible, and not to foolishly believe that a minimum amount of training is going to keep them and their families safe, and to keep innocent people safe.
If it is my stance on a political organization that I STILL support even though I don't like some of the things they do, that is OK, I can live with that. But if you are going to try and find a way to attack me, what I do, or what I believe, I guaranty you that you will fall short of being rational or intelligent in that area. I put up every time, and I back what I say 1000% with my actions and not just more quoting what others have said or done. Any effort to prove otherwise will be fruitless, and based on partial statements.
Love, The man with the Mohawk! :dude:
Just to save any feelings that may be hurt by this, I am posting all of these responses with a smile on my face. I am not taking anything personal, and I am making any direct attacks.
So I will offer you this, and you will be the only one that can cash in on this offer. I will teach you the NRA's courses. Basic Pistol, PPITH and PPOTH, then we can set up and I will teach you my BASIC defensive firearms curriculum, and we will see if you think that the NRA is half azzing their training. And we will see if the NRA can stand up to that. And the only thing you will have to do is come up here, and provide your own equipment, hotel and food.
And when you are done, when I have surpassed even the qualification standards of the
United States Marine Corps with my BASIC course, you have to get on here and post a new thread eating your words. I am more than willing to put up every step of the way. No turn coat BS, and no NRA politics to cloud the issue.
I am issuing a full blown challenge, so it is time to man up or admit you are just looking for a reason to find little parts of long statements to try and discredit someone who thinks that the more training WE get, the better off we are in the long run.
Do I believe in the 2nd amendment, I would not have put my life on the line for my country if I didn't believe in our god given rights. What you say I seem to believe is based on little statements that are taken out of context when you ignore the rest of the statement. Let me give you an example:
"I don't believe that people should own guns without making sure they are not violent felons."
That does not mean that I don't believe people should own guns, it means I believe criminals should be disarmed.
My job is not to create a buddy buddy position with anyone who might want to take a course or learn to better defend themselves. My job is to make sure that people who come to me for training leave with the ability to defend and survive without loosing their lives, loved ones, or any innocent bystanders. I teach a firearms course that is designed to get people to be effective and keep within their natural movements, not try and press people into a mold that is general enough that most people may fit. I don't push a money making course, I am still offering more than the NRA does with their advanced courses. I also take the time to to work with people one on one, and not throw several people up on a line and push them through like an assembly line. Each person has their own intricacies, and a good instructor takes the time to deal with each of them in order to better prepare someone to defend themselves. And I will not even get started on the psychological side of self defense.
There seems to be an idea that I am pushing some kind of mandatory training, or that I am anti gun, but that is based on pure ignorance. I am against Mandatory Training, and I am encouraging people to get out there and get as much training as possible, and not to foolishly believe that a minimum amount of training is going to keep them and their families safe, and to keep innocent people safe.
If it is my stance on a political organization that I STILL support even though I don't like some of the things they do, that is OK, I can live with that. But if you are going to try and find a way to attack me, what I do, or what I believe, I guaranty you that you will fall short of being rational or intelligent in that area. I put up every time, and I back what I say 1000% with my actions and not just more quoting what others have said or done. Any effort to prove otherwise will be fruitless, and based on partial statements.
Love, The man with the Mohawk! :dude:
Just to save any feelings that may be hurt by this, I am posting all of these responses with a smile on my face. I am not taking anything personal, and I am making any direct attacks.
BrewTownBagger
Regular Member
Calico, you check your PM's?
XD40-OD
Campaign Veteran
I'm not an NRA member. I'm an operational hermit, who is happy with his life. I am a gun range member and work as a private contractor internationally.
You're really starting to sound foolish bragging to people who you don't know the backgrounds of.
CalicoJack10
Regular Member
Really? Who do you work for? Isn't that another snipit? I stand ready to back up what I say.
XD40-OD
Campaign Veteran
While I'm in WI. for the next two months, I'm afraid I am not at liberty to openly state where I am leaving to. You are more than welcome to join the Green Bay meet up, and I may say more. At this point, you'r just another old instructor, wishing he were still opperational (or pretending). It's sad that you keep pushing, it really is.
CalicoJack10
Regular Member
A: I don't know too many operators that brag about who they are and what they do, and I know several. Military and PMC, all of them know that there is no glory in what has to be done in defense of this country.
B: I take it that means you are not willing to accept my offer?
C: It is not my history that is in question. And I never pretended to be anything, I offered to stand up and prove what I am and what I can do. Over and over, and free of charge as I recall.
D: I never asked where you are going, I asked who you worked for, there is a HUGE difference.
E: Why do you keep avoiding a spirited discussion and trying to turn it into an argument?
F: My training speaks for itself, and so does the work I do for my community, my state, my fellow Americans, Law abiding citizens, the special Olympics, my fellow veterans, and so on. Not to mention the fact that I tell people that I teach for free that all I ask in return is that they come on here and give an HONEST review, just like the guys did a few weeks ago.
G: I have had enough of the banter, and the back and forth where I try to create common sense, and in return I get insulted for trying to get you to realize that we all (Including me) can benefit from more training. As long as it is not Mandated training.
So best wishes to you and yours. Hopefully you can come to a point where you realize that you need more than just the minimum before it costs more than you are willing to take responsibility for.
OK, Buh Bye!!!!:dude:
If you believes your telling the truth,then back it up.
So where does that leave people who don't believe in more training, and think that Boy Scout merit badge is enough. One of two places, In a pile, or jail. Are you really ready, and how would you prove it. There is a lot said to those who make claims, and don't post a referral, so where are yours grasshoppers? I've seen nothing, no news paper articles, no video of any nay sayer saving lives, hell, have you even retrieved a cat from a tree? I make no claims for myself other than the government does to much already. I'm a Veteran, NO combat, and there are others, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, some combat vets have seen many dead, trained warriors. Brothers of freedom have a way of pilling up fast at times, they all lacked the training to dodge the one they couldn't hear coming. No one person can say he's ready. There is always the unknown, and you can not react properly to something you have never experienced. This is real my friend, so anyone responding smartly had better be ready to back it up!
So where does that leave people who don't believe in more training, and think that Boy Scout merit badge is enough. One of two places, In a pile, or jail. Are you really ready, and how would you prove it. There is a lot said to those who make claims, and don't post a referral, so where are yours grasshoppers? I've seen nothing, no news paper articles, no video of any nay sayer saving lives, hell, have you even retrieved a cat from a tree? I make no claims for myself other than the government does to much already. I'm a Veteran, NO combat, and there are others, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, some combat vets have seen many dead, trained warriors. Brothers of freedom have a way of pilling up fast at times, they all lacked the training to dodge the one they couldn't hear coming. No one person can say he's ready. There is always the unknown, and you can not react properly to something you have never experienced. This is real my friend, so anyone responding smartly had better be ready to back it up!
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rcawdor57
Campaign Veteran
I Like Those Rules Hardballer..... Now my two cents on training....
I like your rules Dave! I'm going to print them out. I too watch all the good stuff as you do. When we get old our training is anything we can get. LOL!
Training? Just what IS Training? We all have slightly different ideas of what "Training" is.
My take: When I was in the military the only firearm I learned how to use in boot camp was the Colt .45. That was the only arm I was trained on and used for many years. Later I was trained with Remington 12 gauge pump shotguns and M-14's. The Colt .45 was the only gun I was proficient with and earned the Expert rating on.
The last two years in the service I received specialty training for hostage situations, hijackings and compartment clearing. We wore the heaviest full body armor I've ever seen for room clearing. We fired real guns with paintball rounds. They hurt quite a bit even with all that armor on.
What did I learn from the specialty training? I learned that all the hostages usually die and at least the first two men into the room to clear out the terrorists also die. It was hard work, it was fun and it woke up my team as to what happens in real life.
How does that compare to concealed carry? Not one bit. I knew absolutely nothing about concealed carry, the laws of the state I lived in or any of the legalities and repercussions of being involved in a shoot out. I took it upon myself to learn all of these things and continued to do so as I moved from one state to another.
Do I think I need training on how to carry concealed and use my handgun. No. I practice on my own as do many if not all of us on this forum.
Can I benefit from more training? You bet!
Do I need the government telling me I HAVE to have training? NO.
So if Calico Jack or WCI or anyone else offers training that is free should I take it? Why not? The more training I get the more proficient I am in all regards.
First and foremost, let me say: I love cheeseburgers.
Next, I would love to go through training. Either Thunder Ranch, Front Sight or any of the several other schools that are excellent. Can't afford it. So instead, I read Col. Cooper and I watch: Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Way of the Gun and last man standing... on a regular basis.
Next, I abide by these rules:
U.S. Marine Corps Rules:
1. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
2. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
3. Have a plan.
4. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won't work.
5. Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
6. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a "4."
7. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral & diagonal preferred.)
9. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
10. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
13. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot or moving your azz.
Good to go.
Hardballer out!
P.S. I am seriously considering the purchase of all the Miami Vice episodes...
I like your rules Dave! I'm going to print them out. I too watch all the good stuff as you do. When we get old our training is anything we can get. LOL!
Training? Just what IS Training? We all have slightly different ideas of what "Training" is.
My take: When I was in the military the only firearm I learned how to use in boot camp was the Colt .45. That was the only arm I was trained on and used for many years. Later I was trained with Remington 12 gauge pump shotguns and M-14's. The Colt .45 was the only gun I was proficient with and earned the Expert rating on.
The last two years in the service I received specialty training for hostage situations, hijackings and compartment clearing. We wore the heaviest full body armor I've ever seen for room clearing. We fired real guns with paintball rounds. They hurt quite a bit even with all that armor on.
What did I learn from the specialty training? I learned that all the hostages usually die and at least the first two men into the room to clear out the terrorists also die. It was hard work, it was fun and it woke up my team as to what happens in real life.
How does that compare to concealed carry? Not one bit. I knew absolutely nothing about concealed carry, the laws of the state I lived in or any of the legalities and repercussions of being involved in a shoot out. I took it upon myself to learn all of these things and continued to do so as I moved from one state to another.
Do I think I need training on how to carry concealed and use my handgun. No. I practice on my own as do many if not all of us on this forum.
Can I benefit from more training? You bet!
Do I need the government telling me I HAVE to have training? NO.
So if Calico Jack or WCI or anyone else offers training that is free should I take it? Why not? The more training I get the more proficient I am in all regards.