Oshkosh Gun Show (Aug. 27, 28, 29)

[minuteman]

So they check guns that are being sold at the door to make sure none are loaded. Explain that your gun is for personal carry and will not leave its holster.

They really should not have a problem with that, if they do its very strange to promote the right to carry at a place that bans open carry.

 

[Spartacus]

Yes it did.

At the Onalaska show, it was not the guy checking guns that made you zip tie your gun, if you can rememeber.

Yah after he saw me a few times he relaxed. But at first they made me zip it and then I took off the tie while at the table.

Whatever, you know? So we can't be cocked and locked at a gun show. Is it a big deal in the long-term?

 

[Spartacus]

So they check guns that are being sold at the door to make sure none are loaded. Explain that your gun is for personal carry and will not leave its holster.

They really should not have a problem with that, if they do its very strange to promote the right to carry at a place that bans open carry.

Hell man, I was at a friggen gun club and asked to unload my carry piece. At a rod and gun club for crying out loud! lol

Gun clubs are the worst places sometimes. Today I was out at the LaCrosse Gun Club and they were having a National long-distance rifle shoot. I watched for a while and got bored so I loaded up my 22 pistol and started shooting steel plates way off from where the rifle guys were. Lo and behold, about 10 minutes later the rangemaster comes over and tells me to stop shooting as I am making too much noise!!! lolol my 22 was bothering the .308 shooters....

 

[BROKENSPROKET]

Yah after he saw me a few times he relaxed. But at first they made me zip it and then I took off the tie while at the table.

Whatever, you know? So we can't be cocked and locked at a gun show. Is it a big deal in the long-term?

I told the guy that I was not selling and I carry it for personal protection and is loaded. After that, he did not want to touch it and said I did not have to unload it. The guy running the WCI booth made me unload and zip tie it.

 

[Spartacus]

The guy running the WCI booth made me unload and zip tie it.

If you are talking about our fearless leader, you may remember that we were fortunate to even be in a Bob and Rocco show at all at that time. He has since mended bridges with Pucci and I'm sure all is forgiven.

However, the B&R shows do have a policy of no loaded guns so unless and until we can change that, we have to respect their policy.

The Apostle Paul said, "I have become all things to all men in order to save some.", and I think we have to give little inches sometimes to gain miles. There will be a time when perhaps we will have to become immovable, but not yet IMO.

 

[Woodchuck]

WOW Derek, didn't think I'd ever hear you using the Apostle Paul as an example for anything. Truth be told, The guy running the WCI booth made me zip tie my firearm also, but he did say it was a requirement of Pucci.

 

[minuteman]

Why on earth do they have a policy against holstered open carry? People running a gunshow that are against the right to bear arms sounds so strange. I totally assumed that they just did not allow any loaded guns that were to be sold or traded, and they checked all of those at the door so no accidental discharges occur.

If I open carry at a gunshow are the people at your table are going to tell me I cant? Even if they allow me in without an issue? Are you the police of the open carriers or are you talking about just your members?

I am going to bet that they have no problem when I explain the gun is not for sale or trade and that it will not leave its holster. When we do away with the concealed carry law are they going to put up signs that say no concealed carrying or no loaded guns? That would do wonders for the handgun business when we allow CCW.

 

[Spartacus]

Why on earth do they have a policy against holstered open carry?

Its not always political you know. Sometimes its just a liability issue. The guys that run the shows have no idea of what your level of training is and if somebody was to shoot themselves or another by accident(it has happened), there would be financial liability involved.

We may not like it, but we have to live with it.

 

[Spartacus]

WOW Derek, didn't think I'd ever hear you using the Apostle Paul as an example for anything.

One of my favorite people actually. I hope to meet him someday, but my chances are rather gloomy I'm afraid...

 

[Woodchuck]

Why on earth do they have a policy against holstered open carry? People running a gunshow that are against the right to bear arms sounds so strange. I totally assumed that they just did not allow any loaded guns that were to be sold or traded, and they checked all of those at the door so no accidental discharges occur.

If I open carry at a gunshow are the people at your table are going to tell me I cant? Even if they allow me in without an issue? Are you the police of the open carriers or are you talking about just your members?

I am going to bet that they have no problem when I explain the gun is not for sale or trade and that it will not leave its holster. When we do away with the concealed carry law are they going to put up signs that say no concealed carrying or no loaded guns? That would do wonders for the handgun business when we allow CCW.

There were some issues that went on behind the scenes that don't need to be discussed. We were so friggin close to not being allowed to have a table it would make your head spin. No we were not and will not be the police of how you OC, if they let you in it then they let you in, done deal. The zip tie deal was a stipulation setup by the man running the event at the time for the us in the WCI booth.

When we get CC, you better believe you will be seeing signs like that. I see them now in places in MN.

 

[minuteman]

There were some issues that went on behind the scenes that don't need to be discussed. We were so friggin close to not being allowed to have a table it would make your head spin. No we were not and will not be the police of how you OC, if they let you in it then they let you in, done deal. The zip tie deal was a stipulation setup by the man running the event at the time for the us in the WCI booth.

When we get CC, you better believe you will be seeing signs like that. I see them now in places in MN.

I can totally understand that, Im guessing it might not be a good idea to open carry at one of those shows at all then, if that might cause an issue with you being able to continue to be there.

I am sure there will be plenty of signs that restrict guns when we get CC, but at a gunshow is pretty crazy I think.

 

[J.Gleason]

I am thinking it would be a good idea to picket outside their gun shows and let everyone know that they are interested in your money but not interested in supporting your right to carry. If you can't carry at a gun show then what the hell is the point?

We need to stop acting like a bunch of panzies that are willing to turn the other cheeck so we can be slapped on the other side.

Anyone who thinks a rule like this is logical or is willing to just roll over and accept a rule like this is just supporting the WAVE notion of FEAR!

Set your booth up outside the building and holster up! Stop giving in!

 

[Spartacus]

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[J.Gleason]

When are you going to close your mouth so that rancid sewer gas you call breath stops polluting this forum?

As I stated in the other thread that you hijacked, I was doing things for this cause long before you ever got an idea to join up. Just because you are not privy to my personal business doesn't mean that you know everything. There are actually some of us that do more than just sit behind a table at a picnic which is basically attended by the same individuals that you saw at the last picnic. There are actually some of us that are doing more then sitting behind a table at a gun show that does not allow open carry or recognize our rights to do so. And, I am sure with the garbage that spews from your sewer of a mouth that your not signing up record numbers of new members either.
I have done more for this country and more for your rights then you can even imagine, so keep your immature, ignorant comments to yourself because one day you may find yourself in need of a person such as myself and that person may just turn the other way and let you get what you deserve.
Your one of those types that thinks because he volunteers to do a little something that it makes you better then anyone else. Your guns are better than anyone else's. You know more than anyone else does. You have all the answers, the problem is you don't even know what the question is. You have tried valiantly to belittle new members here, talk trash to old members, make people think you know what you are talking about and even put down actual valued members here for defending their lives in real situations. You have failed miserably. Why don't you just go crawl back into what ever hole you crawled out of and hide with the rest of your little WAVE buddies. We really don't need your kind here. You do more harm than good. You have had your go now push on.

 

[BROKENSPROKET]

When are you going to close your mouth so that rancid sewer gas you call breath stops polluting this forum?

As I stated in the other thread that you hijacked, I was doing things for this cause long before you ever got an idea to join up. Just because you are not privy to my personal business doesn't mean that you know everything. There are actually some of us that do more than just sit behind a table at a picnic which is basically attended by the same individuals that yoru saw at the last picnic. There are actually some of us that are doing more then sitting behind a table at a gun show that does not allow open carry or recognize our rights to do so. And, I am sure with the garbage that spews from your sewer of a mouth that your not signing up record numbers of new members either.
I have done more for this country and more for your rights then you can even imagine, so keep your immature, ignorant comments to yourself because one day you may find yourself in need of a person such as myself and that person may just turn the other way and let you get what you deserve.
Your one of those types that thinks because he volunteers to do a little something that it makes you better then anyone else. Your guns are better than anyone else's. You know more than anyone else does. You have all the answers, the problem is you don't even know what the question is. You have tried valiantly to belittle new members here, talk trash to old members, make people think you know what you are talking about and even put down actual valued members here for defending their lives in real situations. You have failed miserably. Why don't you just go crawl back into what ever hole you crawled out of and hide with the rest of your little WAVE buddies. We really don't need your kind here. You do more harm than good. You have had your go now push on.

J. Gleason,

I have met Spartacus. We have worked WCI tables at a few gun shows, rode down together to Sussex, met up at a Burger King where we were told we would be arrested, and he did help organize a pretty nice picnic and threw a OC B-day party with more than 18 carrying in a resaraunt that serves alcohol. So, with all that, atleast in 2010, he has done quite good for the cause. But, as far as his involvement in this forum, I have to agree with you that he has done far more harm than good.

 

[Doug Huffman]

That's the problem with epithets.

You met someone behind the curtain/marquee/masque that said 'Spartacus' that may or may not be Interrupter_Knight. Spartacus is a slave leader of a slave's revolt historically long dead.

Wisconsin OCDO desperately wants credibility but eschews responsibility in anonymity, corporate or individual. To me, 'the chairman' is a character in Memoirs of a Geisha.

 

[J.Gleason]

J. Gleason,

I have met Spartacus. We have worked WCI tables at a few gun shows, rode down together to Sussex, met up at a Burger King where we were told we would be arrested, and he did help organize a pretty nice picnic and threw a OC B-day party with more than 18 carrying in a resaraunt that serves alcohol. So, with all that, atleast in 2010, he has done quite good for the cause. But, as far as his involvement in this forum, I have to agree with you that he has done far more harm than good.

The problem I have is that is all anyone hears is how much Spartacus has done for the cause. Why should anyone recognize his efforts when he recognizes no one else's?
I have gotten ordinances changed in my home town, I have helped organize a couple of OC events that many here did not attend simply because it was not endorsed by the elite of this forum. It was however hosted by a gubernatorial candidate who was very much in favor and in fact publicly declared he would sign a bill for constitutional carry if elected. That wasn't good enough for the elite of this forum. The elite said we should all vote for Walker and with that this forum gave no support to the other candidate.
I have spent countless hours working on maps for the GFSZ law suit of which will prove to be very valuable for everyone involved. I OC or CCW everyday as I have for the past 24 years now. I talk to my representatives at every opportunity. I talk to the candidates for election at every opportunity and I have helped countless people pop their cherry at OC right here in good ole Wisconsin. I have written numerous letters to representatives. I have had numerous articles published in papers through out the state.
I support other members here without prejudice. I have handed out pamphlets from the first time they were designed to present. I had a banner in my yard for the longest time with OpenCarry.org, A right not exercised is a right lost, On it. Proudly displayed until someone stole it. I have been a staunch advocate for Correctionas Officers Right to CCW and will continue to do so.
So yeah I haven't sat behind a table at a picnic or a gun show and talked to the same few people. But I have done my very best to make a difference. I realize I am but a small part in a big machine. The difference between me and Spartacus is he thinks he is the machine. When in fact he is a joke.

 

[Spartacus]

The problem I have is that is all anyone hears is how much Spartacus has done for the cause. Why should anyone recognize his efforts when he recognizes no one else's?

I don't talk about what I do at all Gleason. Its you that is always talking about what I do or don't do.

BrokenSprocket, I don't need defenders or detractors. I call 'em like I see 'em same as any other guy here. Excuse me if I see things a bit differently than some others... thats my right as an individual same as yours.

 

[Captain Nemo]

Doug;
You forgot to add that the underlying purpose of Spartacus' revolt was to furthur his own personal cause.

 

[Spartacus]

Doug;
You forgot to add that the underlying purpose of Spartacus' revolt was to furthur his own personal cause.

The internet persona formerly known as Doug Hoffman/ Don Quixote/ Sancho Panza, among others won't be around to forget anything on OCDO much longer if he is even still here.

Oh how the mighty are fallen! Hoisted on his own petard! Defeated by the "slave, leader of slaves", according to himself.

Some of you guys really need to get a life. Stop taking little details such as someones screen name or differences in opinion so personally and start working towards the goal here. Get out and oc! Meet and talk to people! If you are a member of an organization, lead them to it. People need other people with the same interests and goals.

We need boots on the ground, not ethereal voices on the internet pontificating about what should be done or criticizing what is being done.