OC report for Pullman

[Vandal]

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p2a1x7 wrote:

I had some down time at my job today and picked up The Daily Evergreen while waiting for the cashier's office to open.  I noticed this gem http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/30662 .  I'm considering writing a letter to the editor, but I think I want to see how the hearing goes first.

I've also been OCing around Pullman for the past couple months.  Nothing eventful.  I'm not even sure if people notice

If you have the urge to write a letter go for it. Some things to bring up, the severe economic impact of this bill, not only in WA but nationwide. Gun shops will go out of business resulting in jobs lost. Weapon manufacturers will feel the loss in revenue and will have to lay off workers, same goes for ammunition makers. Accessories companies will feel the hit too.

There is also a SCOTUS ruling that LE has no duty to protect the populous at large.

The guns used in most of the recent killings were stolen, the last Pierce County Deputy was shot by a guy with a personally owned gun.

You can also bring up the hunting and sporting aspect of these "Assault Weapons" such as IDPA, IPSC and others.

I would also hit that gun control isn't about crime and safety but governmental control of the population. The last nation to have complete gun registration was Nazi Germany, and we all know how that turned out.


KF, I have been OCing in DQ for the last few years and have scared some of the college kids out. The folks behind the counter love it when I show up though. I am polite, friendly and usually come with a few friends. The older guy with the awesome 'stach is a big military and gun supporter.

 

[kimberfella616]

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Just read the article, what a bunch of BS rhetoric. It infuriates me to read propaganda pieces like this. It just shows how ignorant the general populace tends to be.

Someone might want to fill Derrick on a little piece of info. I think this country is closer to a revolution than one might think. The zombies are not the ones you see portrayed in Hollywood. They are the mindless sheeple that walk around and read (or write) hit pieces like this. (Yes I know, I said it; REVOLUTION. My name just got flagged in twenty different databases.)

FYI, I bet there are a bunch of folks in Haiti right now that wish they had an AR or two for defense.

KF

 

[seattleric007]

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I have some friends in Pullman. I'll have to take them out to that teryake place and oc while I'm there.

 

[Vandal]

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When are you coming into town? We may have to make a meeting out of it.

 

[Jett_07]

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I'm in Pullman, but can't carry here in WA yet as I have yet to turn21.As I understand it though, I am able to carry in Idaho, so ifyou guys do any meet ups over in Moscow I would be interested in joining you!

Also, could someone just confirm a couple things for me?First, even though Iam a WA resident, when I am in Idaho, I am able to open carry because they go by their state law, is that correct (age 18 to OC)? Also,By reading theIdaho code,I ampretty sure thatit allows you to open carry in vehicles aswell, and even when the firearmis loaded.

Thanks guys, and I hope toget tomeet some of you sometime soon!

 

[kimberfella616]

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Jett_07 wrote:

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Also, could someone just confirm a couple things for me?First, even though Iam a WA resident, when I am in Idaho, I am able to open carry because they go by their state law, is that correct (age 18 to OC)? Also,By reading theIdaho code,I ampretty sure thatit allows you to open carry in vehicles aswell, and even when the firearmis loaded.

Thanks guys, and I hope toget tomeet some of you sometime soon!

Yes you are able to carry here in the great State of Idaho. You are also allowed to carry your fully loaded weapons (as long as they are not automatic or explosive in nature) and be ready to defend yourself day or night, whether it be in your car, home, or on your person.


KF

 

[Louie86]

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Also just adding that if you would like to carry concealed in Idaho you can get a Maine out of state permit and Idaho honors it(you only have to be 18). Unfortunately Washington does not honor it. Just throwing that out there.

 

[Jett_07]

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How does that work? Don't you have to be in a state bordering the one you want a non-resident permit in, or at least visit the sheriff there to get fingerprinted and what not? Or can you just send in the paperwork and get it in the mail later? Do you know of any states that have non-resident permits that are obtainable under the age of 21 andthat Washington recognizes?

Thanks for the quick replies!



Edit: Just found this, looks like I couldn't carry concealed even if I got an out of state permit to use in WA. I believe that the part I put in red means that you would still have to be 21 to CC. Do you guys agree? Thanks!

http://www.atg.wa.gov/ConcealedWeapons/Reciprocity.aspx

Washington concealed pistol licenses will be recognized in the following states, and concealed weapons licenses issued in the listed states will be recognized in Washington State, so long as the handgun is carried in accordance with Washington law.

Arkansas
Louisiana
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Utah


NOTE: Handguns must be carried in accordance with the law of the state you are visiting. Be sure to check the laws of the other state before traveling there with your handgun.

 

[Jett_07]

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Answered my own question on that same site haha.

Washington’s Firearms and Dangerous Weapons statute (RCW 9.41) was amended in 2004 to allow non-Washington residents to carry concealed weapons in Washington if they have obtained a concealed weapons permit from another state that meets certain conditions imposed by Washington’s reciprocity law, RCW 9.41.073. Those conditions are:

1. The other state must have a reciprocal statute allowing Washington residents to carry concealed weapons in the other state if the resident has a Washington concealed pistol permit; and
2. The other state does not issue concealed pistol licenses to persons under twenty-one years of age; and
3. The state requires mandatory fingerprint-based background checks of criminal and mental health history for all persons who apply for a concealed pistol license.

If the above conditions are met, the concealed weapons permit of an out-of-state resident will be recognized in Washington as long as the permit holder does not become a resident of Washington State. Additionally, the permit holder from another state must carry the handgun in compliance with the laws of Washington State*. Washington concealed pistol permits will be recognized in those states which havea reciprocal agreement with Washington. Washington residents should check the laws of the state they are traveling to, in order to comply with the concealed weapons permit law of that state.

 

[kimberfella616]

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He was saying that the Maine permit would be valid in Idaho.

"Also just adding that if you would like to carry concealed in Idaho you can get a Maine out of state permit and Idaho honors it(you only have to be 18). Unfortunately Washington does not honor it. Just throwing that out there. "

He answered your questions before you started surfing. :banghead:

KF

 

[Louie86]

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KF answered the question already. Your surfing is correct Washington wont honor a lot of permits because you need to be 21(it's the reason they wont take Idaho's permit becasue with sheriffs permission you can get your permit at 18). But Idaho honors all states permits including Maine's, and no you do not have to be a resident of a bordering state for all out of state permits only some of them. Let us know if you have any further questions. To build a permit map or for further research go to: http://www.handgunlaw.us/

 

[p2a1x7]

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Here's what I'm thinking of sending in. Any suggestions are welcome. It was hard to keep it under 250 words.

The bill discussed in Derrick Skaug's article "Bill bans assault weapons" will not be passed. However, there are some things I would like to point out. A high capacity magazine is defined as more than ten. Many citizens of Washington state who choose to open carry and conceal pistols are walking around with high capacity magazines, yet they are not out to kill hundreds of people as Skaug claims. As for rapid fire, these guns shoot just as fast as any revolver. Also it is worth noting that rocket launchers are legal in Washington, and fully automatic weapons are legal in other parts of the country.

While these "assault" weapons are used in various self defense situations from open and concealed carry to business owners protecting their property in the LA riots of 1992, they also have other merits. There are organizations such as the International Practical Shooting Confederation and International Defensive Pistol Association that use these tools to put holes in paper. Of the 223+ million guns in US, the majority are most likely used just for target practice.

Skaug alluded to the obvious merits of these weapons in defense situations when he claimed they should be in the hands of the police. While police do their best to protect us, the Supreme Court of the United States as has also ruled in Castle Rock vs Gonzales that it is not their constitutional duty to do so. Take that for what it's worth.

 

[bigwookiee]

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p2a1x7 wrote:

Here's what I'm thinking of sending in. Any suggestions are welcome. It was hard to keep it under 250 words.

The bill discussed in Derrick Skaug's article "Bill bans assault weapons" will not be passed. However, there are some things I would like to point out. A high capacity magazine is defined as more than ten. Many citizens of Washington state who choose to open carry and conceal pistols are walking around with high capacity magazines, yet they are not out to kill hundreds of people as Skaug claims. As for rapid fire, these guns shoot just as fast as any revolver. Also it is worth noting that rocket launchers are legal in Washington, and fully automatic weapons are legal in other parts of the country.

While these "assault" weapons are used in various self defense situations from open and concealed carry to business owners protecting their property in the LA riots of 1992, they also have other merits. There are organizations such as the International Practical Shooting Confederation and International Defensive Pistol Association that use these tools to put holes in paper. Of the 223+ million guns in US, the majority are most likely used just for target practice.

Skaug alluded to the obvious merits of these weapons in defense situations when he claimed they should be in the hands of the police. While police do their best to protect us, the Supreme Court of the United States as has also ruled in Castle Rock vs Gonzales that it is not their constitutional duty to do so. Take that for what it's worth.

You might want to add that most common hunting caliber rifles are far more dangerous and lethal than a common black assault rifle in .223. Personally I'd rather be shot by a .223thana 30-06 or any .30 caliber.

 

[p2a1x7]

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I was considering adding that, but I'd rather not get in the debate of what makes something more lethal or try to demonize any sort of firearm. I had more to say but the 250 word limit wasn't too helpful.

This is just something out of curiosity, but do you think it would be possible to have an open carry "protest" outside the library. I mean it's not illegal, so just need clearance from the University right?

 

[kimberfella616]

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p2a1x7 wrote:

I was considering adding that, but I'd rather not get in the debate of what makes something more lethal or try to demonize any sort of firearm. I had more to say but the 250 word limit wasn't too helpful.

This is just something out of curiosity, but do you think it would be possible to have an open carry "protest" outside the library. I mean it's not illegal, so just need clearance from the University right?

I'm all for it. Especially at the UI campus where it is legal, yet 'against the rules'. I don't know about the laws in Washington on Washington Campuses.

KF

 

[p2a1x7]

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I believe all State Universities fall under preemption, but some have Washington Administration Code's against it. So students could be expelled.

UI doesn't fall under preemption right?

 

[Louie86]

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UI does not fall under the current preemption law but there is no law against carrying on campus, students/employees could be expelled/fired but not legally pursued. That is unless they ask you to leave and you refuse then you could be charged with trespass. I realize its a public university so you shouldnt be able to trespass but they will claim that you are disrupting the learning environment which will fly because everyone in the administration is anti-gun.

 

[kimberfella616]

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Guys,

We are planning on having an OC dinner this Sunday 21 Feb 2010 at around 3 o'clock. It will be a BigWookie's place and he will be BBQ'ing a brisquet. We are asking that everyone bring a side dish and some soft drinks. If there is a plan for a heavy turn out we will also consider doing hot dogs and burgers as well. Especially if there are kids coming.

Details and directions are in the Moscow forum:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum20/34758-2.html

PLEASE let someone know if you plan on attending. This way we could have a estimated number of people expected to show up. Either *POST IT ON THE MOSCOW FORUM* or PM Big Wookie or myself.

Hope to see y'all there!

KF

 

[shad0wfax]

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p2a1x7 wrote:

I believe all State Universities fall under preemption, but some have Washington Administration Code's against it. So students could be expelled.

UI doesn't fall under preemption right?

There is only one college/university campus in all of WA that does not have a WAC prohibiting firearms on campus in some way or another and it's not WSU. (It's some community college over on the west side; the name escapes me at the moment.)

State Universities may well fall under preemption, but the WACs they operate on are also state sponsored administrative codes... Remember that every community college, college, and university in WA (including private ones) have their own WAC tailored specifically for that campus.

If you're a WSU student you fall under their WAC and might get yourself expelled for carrying on campus if you are caught. Non-students can be (and have been) trespassed off of University property for carrying, but the way the WACs for WSU are written there's no other penalty they can impose on a non-student. (I wonder how they handle alumni...?)

I can't speak on UI at all.

 

[Louie86]

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shad0wfax wrote:

p2a1x7 wrote:

I believe all State Universities fall under preemption, but some have Washington Administration Code's against it. So students could be expelled.

UI doesn't fall under preemption right?

If you're a WSU student you fall under their WAC and might get yourself expelled for carrying on campus if you are caught. Non-students can be (and have been) trespassed off of University property for carrying, but the way the WACs for WSU are written there's no other penalty they can impose on a non-student. (I wonder how they handle alumni...?)

I can't speak on UI at all.

UI is exactly the same way