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OC encounter at Best Buy in Metaire, LA

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Let me give you a crash course on how things REALLY are in the POLICE STATE OF LOUISIANA.
There are two sets of laws, one for you and I, another for "them."
While it APPEARS you can pursue criminal charges against a "law enforcement officer," that only works if the appropriate government agency/official FOLLOWS AND OBEYS THE LAW. Hint: they don't.
All the laws in the world are useless if they cannot be enforced.
Please don't take my word for it, do something most here refuse to do: try to make it happen.
 

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DR JACK wrote:
First I want to say hello to everyone. I am new to your forum and this is my first post. I have been reading through your site and discussions for about the last 7-8 days. As you can see I live in southeast Arkansas but work and travel extensively throughout LA. I do have a Arkansas CCW and have been carrying for about 10 years now. However, I ''prefer'' to open carry when possible. I am very familiar that LA is an open carry state. I have also carried openly in many places and stores throughout LA with no problems at all even while having friendly conversations with LEO's. So now you know a little about me I will get to my point. The night of Dec 16th 2009 I was traveling through Metaire and stopped at the best buy store. I had my Ruger 9mm in a kydex belt holster owb at the 430 position open carried with no jacket. (I have been in this store several times before with no incidents or questions). anyway, I walked in past the duty officer nodding and saying hello and went about my business. After about 30 minutes he walked by me while pushing a cart and picking up a few things himself. As he got close to me he smiled and asked what department I was with. At first I thought he was referring to which department of my company I worked for since it is a very large, well known and respected, company with several departments and since I was currently wearing a nice button up shirt with my companies logo on it. When I told him this he said ''oh so your not a law enforcement officer?'' I said no sir i am not. He then asked if I had a permit? To which i said yes sir i do. He then asked if it was for concealed weapon and i told him that yes It was. He then proceded to tell me that ''concealed means completely concealed'' and told me that I needed to return my gun to my vehicle please beacause it was illegal for me to carry my weapon unless completely concealed. At that time I told him It was my understanding from researching LA handgun laws that LA was a completely legal open carry state. He then told me that ''LA WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT AN OPEN CARRY STATE AND WAS HIGHLY ILLEGAL''. As I was on a short time frame and didnt have any legal documents on me I just told him that I would make sure and double checkthe lawsand advised him to do the same. As I was ready to check out I asked if It was ok for me to go ahead and check out and leave or if he was ordering me to leave and secure the weapon first and THEN come back in to check out. He told me it would be fine for me to go ahead and check out but just be sure to remember to keep my weapon concealed at all times or leave it in the vehicle from now on. He was very polite during all this as was I. However, it does dismay me that either he was completely and knowingly lieing to me, or else he really truly had absolutely no idea of what the true law is regarding handguns and open carry. Has anyone else had any problems like this in this area or store before? Is this still a very common problem in LA or is this just an isolated incident? any questions or comments?

I was wondering if you could describe the guy. Did you happen to notice his rank?

i occasionally go to that Best Buy, and I can definitely set him straight. i would love to see him try that with someone who knows the law better than him.
 

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whoa whoa whoa......easy guys.....let me clarify a few points here.......the officer was very very cordial and polite during the whole encounter....at no time was he ever hostile or threatning at all.....until proven otherwise I would like to beleive that he ''maybe'' just didnt know any better....keep in mind that because of Katrina, and Rita alot of departments in those areas lost many officers and have a current shortage still and alot of the officers they do have are new with minimal training....for instance they have a certain exception that alot of the officers went through a very very basic orientation and then were thrown on the streets with the exception that they attend the real training within a year or two or ''as soon as personnel levels allow the time''.....so again it seems very likely to me that there is alot of officers out there that just dont know any better.....if we approach this subject and them with a hostile attitude then that will definetely just turn them against the open carry movement....however if we approach them as honorable, level headed, friendly citizens then they will be much more willing to listen to us and they will be more friendly toward our cause.....NOW....if it turns out THEY ARE AWARE of the law and just dont care and want to abuse their authority and push people around THEN it is time to push back and show them just what exactly their authority is and that they areNOT above the law....NOONE is above the law and EVERYONE answers to someone.....if a city officer's steps out of line then it is time for county or parish sherriff's to step in......if parish/county officer step out of line then you bring in the state officers.....if they step out of line then you bring in the federal officers and so forth.....see where I am going with this?.....also dont forget civil lawsuits and such......as i mentioned before I am giving this officers supervising sherriff a chance to handle this properly...if he doesnt then I WILL go up the chain as far as I need to until it is resolved to my satisfaction......and I DO have many friends in very high places of authority that I CAN and WILL take this to if I must........
 

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DR JACK wrote:
whoa whoa whoa......easy guys.....let me clarify a few points here.......the officer was very very cordial and polite during the whole encounter....at no time was he ever hostile or threatning at all.....until proven otherwise I would like to beleive that he ''maybe'' just didnt know any better....keep in mind that because of Katrina, and Rita alot of departments in those areas lost many officers and have a current shortage still and alot of the officers they do have are new with minimal training....for instance they have a certain exception that alot of the officers went through a very very basic orientation and then were thrown on the streets with the exception that they attend the real training within a year or two or ''as soon as personnel levels allow the time''.....so again it seems very likely to me that there is alot of officers out there that just dont know any better.....if we approach this subject and them with a hostile attitude then that will definetely just turn them against the open carry movement....however if we approach them as honorable, level headed, friendly citizens then they will be much more willing to listen to us and they will be more friendly toward our cause.....NOW....if it turns out THEY ARE AWARE of the law and just dont care and want to abuse their authority and push people around THEN it is time to push back and show them just what exactly their authority is and that they areNOT above the law....NOONE is above the law and EVERYONE answers to someone.....if a city officer's steps out of line then it is time for county or parish sherriff's to step in......if parish/county officer step out of line then you bring in the state officers.....if they step out of line then you bring in the federal officers and so forth.....see where I am going with this?.....also dont forget civil lawsuits and such......as i mentioned before I am giving this officers supervising sherriff a chance to handle this properly...if he doesnt then I WILL go up the chain as far as I need to until it is resolved to my satisfaction......and I DO have many friends in very high places of authority that I CAN and WILL take this to if I must........
Watch out Dr Jack! Taking a reasonable or conciliatory line when talking about LEO might just get you labled an AmeriKan by certain persons! :lol::lol::lol:
 

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turbodog wrote:
DR JACK wrote:
whoa whoa whoa......easy guys.....let me clarify a few points here.......the officer was very very cordial and polite during the whole encounter....at no time was he ever hostile or threatning at all.....until proven otherwise I would like to beleive that he ''maybe'' just didnt know any better....keep in mind that because of Katrina, and Rita alot of departments in those areas lost many officers and have a current shortage still and alot of the officers they do have are new with minimal training....for instance they have a certain exception that alot of the officers went through a very very basic orientation and then were thrown on the streets with the exception that they attend the real training within a year or two or ''as soon as personnel levels allow the time''.....so again it seems very likely to me that there is alot of officers out there that just dont know any better.....if we approach this subject and them with a hostile attitude then that will definetely just turn them against the open carry movement....however if we approach them as honorable, level headed, friendly citizens then they will be much more willing to listen to us and they will be more friendly toward our cause.....NOW....if it turns out THEY ARE AWARE of the law and just dont care and want to abuse their authority and push people around THEN it is time to push back and show them just what exactly their authority is and that they areNOT above the law....NOONE is above the law and EVERYONE answers to someone.....if a city officer's steps out of line then it is time for county or parish sherriff's to step in......if parish/county officer step out of line then you bring in the state officers.....if they step out of line then you bring in the federal officers and so forth.....see where I am going with this?.....also dont forget civil lawsuits and such......as i mentioned before I am giving this officers supervising sherriff a chance to handle this properly...if he doesnt then I WILL go up the chain as far as I need to until it is resolved to my satisfaction......and I DO have many friends in very high places of authority that I CAN and WILL take this to if I must........
Watch out Dr Jack! Taking a reasonable or conciliatory line when talking about LEO might just get you labled an AmeriKan by certain persons! :lol::lol::lol:

So is it OK to trample on someone's rights as long as they are polite?

:what:
 

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TRAMPLE ON SOMEONE"S RIGHTS?????

UHHHHMMMMM are you sure your on the same subject as we are? noone mentioned ''trampling'' violating or anything to do with someones rights.....there was no violations at this encounter....i wasnt arrested...i wasnt detained,,,,i wasnt interrogated......ONCE AGAIN...me and the officer had a nice friendly polite chat about this subject....I was polite and respectful and so was he.....well never mind....just reread the beggining post again please...i wont keep retyping the same thing
 

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mark edward marchiafava wrote:
Continue to file federal civil rights lawsuits, suck as much $$$$ as possible out of the "system," make it HIGHLY visible, sooner than later, SOMEONE will catch on and put a stop to this asshattery being carried out by the "thin blue line."
how did we know that would come out of you mouth..
 

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Sow hat would you recommend the victim do to teach them a lesson so that this does not happen to any of us?
 

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DR JACK wrote:
TRAMPLE ON SOMEONE"S RIGHTS?????

UHHHHMMMMM are you sure your on the same subject as we are? noone mentioned ''trampling'' violating or anything to do with someones rights.....there was no violations at this encounter....i wasnt arrested...i wasnt detained,,,,i wasnt interrogated......ONCE AGAIN...me and the officer had a nice friendly polite chat about this subject....I was polite and respectful and so was he.....well never mind....just reread the beggining post again please...i wont keep retyping the same thing

You need to know that MEM and WWMD are the same person he had to make another name on here so someone would agree with him and his backwords way of promoting 2A rights.

Most of us here think you handled it in the right way. Because you did it in a respectful way the LEO might just have went and looked it up or asked someone with more knowledge than himself.
 

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jimmyb wrote:
mark edward marchiafava wrote:
Continue to file federal civil rights lawsuits, suck as much $$$$ as possible out of the "system," make it HIGHLY visible, sooner than later, SOMEONE will catch on and put a stop to this asshattery being carried out by the "thin blue line."
how did we know that would come out of you mouth..
I must say that after reading certain posts here from certain persons and also reading their comments and posts under other topics it appears that some persons are in the cause for money and self recognition instead of caring and working for the best resolution and furtherance of our cause.....
 

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jimmyb wrote:
DR JACK wrote:
TRAMPLE ON SOMEONE"S RIGHTS?????

UHHHHMMMMM are you sure your on the same subject as we are? no one mentioned ''trampling'' violating or anything to do with someones rights.....there was no violations at this encounter....i wasn't arrested...i wasn't detained,,,,i wasn't interrogated......ONCE AGAIN...me and the officer had a nice friendly polite chat about this subject....I was polite and respectful and so was he.....well never mind....just reread the beginning post again please...i wont keep retyping the same thing

You need to know that MEM and WWMD are the same person he had to make another name on here so someone would agree with him and his backwords way of promoting 2A rights.

Most of us here think you handled it in the right way. Because you did it in a respectful way the LEO might just have went and looked it up or asked someone with more knowledge than himself.
Thank you Jimmy. I was starting to get the feeling that there was some kind of connection between the two names after reading multiple similar posts from these 2 names under multiple topics
 

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DR JACK wrote:
jimmyb wrote:
mark edward marchiafava wrote:
Continue to file federal civil rights lawsuits, suck as much $$$$ as possible out of the "system," make it HIGHLY visible, sooner than later, SOMEONE will catch on and put a stop to this asshattery being carried out by the "thin blue line."
how did we know that would come out of you mouth..
I must say that after reading certain posts here from certain persons and also reading their comments and posts under other topics it appears that some persons are in the cause for money and self recognition instead of caring and working for the best resolution and furtherance of our cause.....
BINGO

winner winner chicken dinner
 

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DR JACK wrote:
jimmyb wrote:
DR JACK wrote:
TRAMPLE ON SOMEONE"S RIGHTS?????

UHHHHMMMMM are you sure your on the same subject as we are? no one mentioned ''trampling'' violating or anything to do with someones rights.....there was no violations at this encounter....i wasn't arrested...i wasn't detained,,,,i wasn't interrogated......ONCE AGAIN...me and the officer had a nice friendly polite chat about this subject....I was polite and respectful and so was he.....well never mind....just reread the beginning post again please...i wont keep retyping the same thing

You need to know that MEM and WWMD are the same person he had to make another name on here so someone would agree with him and his backwords way of promoting 2A rights.

Most of us here think you handled it in the right way. Because you did it in a respectful way the LEO might just have went and looked it up or asked someone with more knowledge than himself.
Thank you Jimmy. I was starting to get the feeling that there was some kind of connection between the two names after reading multiple similar posts from these 2 names under multiple topics

it is what we have to put up with around here. MEM says he is for 2A rights but he likes to crap on other gun toteing 2A rights peps. Here is a example

http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=11736872#

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now most hunters are 2A rights guys but he post stuff like that to get his name out there.
 

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Smoking45auto wrote:
WWMD wrote:
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Dr. Jack, thank you for your posts. You handled the encounter well, and your followup will do more good for us in the long run then jumping straight into an ill-intentioned lawsuit. The inflammatory trolls just want attention, pay their accusations no mind.

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Amazing, the trolls don't even try to disguise that they're really the same person coming back despite being banned. The names, the posting styles, the convenient join dates... :quirky
 

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WWMD wrote:
4angrybadgers wrote:
Dr. Jack, thank you for your posts. You handled the encounter well, and your followup will do more good for us in the long run then jumping straight into an ill-intentioned lawsuit. The inflammatory trolls just want attention, pay their accusations no mind.


Amazing, the trolls don't even try to disguise that they're really the same person coming back despite being banned. The names, the posting styles, the convenient join dates... :quirky

Dude, are you insinuating that I am posting under two usernames because I used the same smiley? really, that is weak.

You guys are not very friendly for supposedly wanting to be ambassadors for OC.
Wasn't saying anything about you, sorry. Forgot to remove your nested quote. (The other boards I post on use software that doesn't nest more than one post deep.)
 

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Open Carriers' can be for the 2a all they want; that doesn't make them not idiots for carrying within a couple hundred feet of people or houses; some of you should pull your head out of the sand

i think you should get post of the year.
 

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Dr. Jack,

I would call JPSO or go by there next time you're in town and speak with someone and let them know what he told you. Get them to inform him and others of LA law before someone sues the $hit out of them.
 

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Smoking45auto wrote:
VORiaSOI wrote:
Smoking45auto wrote:

Open Carriers' can be for the 2a all they want; that doesn't make them not idiots for carrying within a couple hundred feet of people or houses; some of you should pull your head out of the sand

i think you should get post of the year.
And your changing of my words in my post, does what?

it shows how narrow minded your statement is and was. by singling out hunters, it stinks when you swap hunter wit open carry. divisiveness is what will make legislators punish us ALL
 
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