Obama likely to take executive action on gun control...

[compmanio365]

Our youth is being served kool-aid in the public school system. Every responsible parent should home school, if they cannot afford private education.

Absolutely true. I am 26 and did horribly in school, mainly because I wasn't willing to buy into the "sit down, shut up and be brainwashed like all the rest of the good little subjects" mantra. I see almost every person of my generation acting irresponsibly and find that they have zero clue as to what freedom really entails and what is going on in the political arena. They truly believe that if they just focus on the video games, ignore the news and "trust the government to know what's best", everything will turn out alright, and that the Soviets had it right all along. It's pretty disgusting to see, and a big part of why I don't have but two friends in my own age group. I simply cannot stand the entitlement, "gimme free stuff" attitude of my peers. And unfortunately, these will be the people cheering for the government thugs who will come to disarm us and take away our freedoms, as the brainwashing has taught them to believe we are somehow the "enemies of freedom". When they don't even know what "freedom" really is.

 

[Sparky508]

Sadly thats what society has come to. The more people have moved away from rural life and urban sprawl has taken over.

"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe. "
-Thomas Jefferson

 

[Flopsweat]

So what's the point of even sending the bill to Congress? For show? So much for checks and balances! It was a nice concept while it lasted (which wasn't very long).

Once Feinstein's bill fails in the House he can say that he has had enough and has to put his foot down and save the children. It's all the evil Republicans' faults because they want dirty air, dirty water and dead children. You have to understand that it's as much about the theater as it is about getting his own way.

 

[amzbrady]

I feel there are only a handfull of us who are patriotic. We are becoming the minority. If a civil unrest broke out, we would be small in numbers compared to those who dont care and have no idea what a loyalty to a country is. There are too many who havedefected from their country to invade our county from third worlds and don't care if liberties are lost because there are still more freedoms here than where they came from.
I also fear that there are too many servants who would follow the camander and chiefs order, rather than uphold thier oath to the constitution. I would rather die fighting for my rights and claim "From my cold dead hands" but I feel it would be in vain and would be put on a list of radical rednecks who fought against the country, in terrorism and died committing a crime.
This is the country we have let evolve around us by letting our borders be overun by invaders. There is no going back to stop it from happening, all we can hope for is that we prevent our freedoms from being taken during our lifetime.
I pray to God I am way off base.

 

[thunderbolt]

i feel there are only a handfull of us who are patriotic. We are becoming the minority. If a civil unrest broke out, we would be small in numbers compared to those who dont care and have no idea what a loyalty to a country is. There are too many who havedefected from their country to invade our county from third worlds and don't care if liberties are lost because there are still more freedoms here than where they came from.
I also fear that there are too many servants who would follow the camander and chiefs order, rather than uphold thier oath to the constitution. I would rather die fighting for my rights and claim "from my cold dead hands" but i feel it would be in vain and would be put on a list of radical rednecks who fought against the country, in terrorism and died committing a crime.
This is the country we have let evolve around us by letting our borders be overun by invaders. There is no going back to stop it from happening, all we can hope for is that we prevent our freedoms from being taken during our lifetime.
I pray to god i am way off base.

iii%....


Just 3%.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I feel there are only a handfull of us who are patriotic. We are becoming the minority. If a civil unrest broke out, we would be small in numbers compared to those who dont care and have no idea what a loyalty to a country is. There are too many who havedefected from their country to invade our county from third worlds and don't care if liberties are lost because there are still more freedoms here than where they came from.
I also fear that there are too many servants who would follow the camander and chiefs order, rather than uphold thier oath to the constitution. I would rather die fighting for my rights and claim "From my cold dead hands" but I feel it would be in vain and would be put on a list of radical rednecks who fought against the country, in terrorism and died committing a crime.
This is the country we have let evolve around us by letting our borders be overun by invaders. There is no going back to stop it from happening, all we can hope for is that we prevent our freedoms from being taken during our lifetime.
I pray to God I am way off base.

Not specifically aimed at you amz, using your post as starting point for my thoughts.

Dissent is the best form of patriotism. One of the major problems is we have substituted nationalism for patriotism. Thomas Jefferson and many of the other founders would not have encouraged this. They were English men who broke away from strong central government. The reason they were so effective in standing against a large centralized empire like England was because they had been doing so separately in their own colonies for decades against a conservative colonial oligarchy. The consitution was recognized as a possible path to the tyranny we have today that is why patriots like Patrick Henry rallied against it and him and other anti federalist insisted upon the inclusion of a Bill of rights, about the only thing that has slowed down the snowball of tyranny.

So yes we must be patriots dissent. We must not be picky about the rights we fight for, you want your right to bear arms, don't rally against gay folk. You want the right to free speech don't try to tell others they can't put what they want into their body. The list as our rights are, is endless.

iii%....


Just 3%.

I am not sure where this 3% myth came from it was one I believed in too. It's not true, (maybe the fake federalist, much like the misnamed liberal or conservatives of our day) had 3% of support, but there was an overwhelming support and backing for the fight against British Tyranny and taxes that pale in comparison to what is stolen from us today.

The Sons of Liberty had no problem filling their ranks with thousands of men.

 

[thunderbolt]

........I am not sure where this 3% myth came from it was one I believed in too. It's not true, (maybe the fake federalist, much like the misnamed liberal or conservatives of our day) had 3% of support, but there was an overwhelming support and backing for the fight against British Tyranny and taxes that pale in comparison to what is stolen from us today.

The Sons of Liberty had no problem filling their ranks with thousands of men.

You are totally missing the point, son. I'm shocked that someone even needs to point it out.

The 3% doesn't represent the total number of people who supported the revolution, just the rough number of people who fought.

It is a rough number anyway, probably impossible to prove. And, by YOUR logic, it IS a "myth" because it was probably more like 3.02% or 2.93421%....Whatever. So, yeah man, it's a myth.

The 3% thing is like a rhetorical question. It makes a point, and doesn't need an answer or explanation.....But for those who missed the point, I guess it does.

But never mind, it's a myth.


Do you think that if there's a call to arms and a muster under the First Amendment protection to demand redress of laws unconstitutional under the Second Amendment, that we would have any trouble filling our ranks with a few million? Considering that it's estimated that 45% of the American households have guns and most of those obviously support the 2A...I think we got a few million covered....lol.

But what do I know? Probably just a myth.


;P

 

[MSG Laigaie]

I have been studying what was going on in this country in the years just before the Revolution. People were very much like they are today. Ambivalent, distracted, self involved. We did not 'win' the war, we just did not lose. England was too far away, commo took too long, logistical nightmare.
Today is different. People today are ambivalent, distracted, self involved. And your government knows it and is taking advantage of it. So what are YOU going to do about it?

 

[Jeff Hayes]

3% today would be about 10 million people or roughly 5 times the people in our active duty military forces.

3% of the population is a lot of people.

Just to be clear here I am not suggesting a revolution or anything like that just pointing out the numbers. I would imagine that the numbers worked the same way back them 3% was still a lot. There is no country in the world that could sustain say even 15% of the population for an extended period of time. America at the time of the Revolution could only field that many men because so many of them went home between fights.

A good example is WWII, We had slightly less than 12% of the population serve in the military and we were fighting what was really 2 wars.

 

[MainelyGlock]

Anyone know of a reliable source where I can get up to date info on the progress of Feinstein's bill?

 

[gogodawgs]

3% today would be about 10 million people or roughly 5 times the people in our active duty military forces.

3% of the population is a lot of people.

Just to be clear here I am not suggesting a revolution or anything like that just pointing out the numbers. I would imagine that the numbers worked the same way back them 3% was still a lot. There is no country in the world that could sustain say even 15% of the population for an extended period of time. America at the time of the Revolution could only field that many men because so many of them went home between fights.

A good example is WWII, We had slightly less than 12% of the population serve in the military and we were fighting what was really 2 wars.

Correct and that is just the 'fighting', then there are another % that support, bring food, blankets, boots, etc

 

[sudden valley gunner]

You are totally missing the point, son. I'm shocked that someone even needs to point it out.

The 3% doesn't represent the total number of people who supported the revolution, just the rough number of people who fought.

It is a rough number anyway, probably impossible to prove. And, by YOUR logic, it IS a "myth" because it was probably more like 3.02% or 2.93421%....Whatever. So, yeah man, it's a myth.

The 3% thing is like a rhetorical question. It makes a point, and doesn't need an answer or explanation.....But for those who missed the point, I guess it does.

But never mind, it's a myth.


Do you think that if there's a call to arms and a muster under the First Amendment protection to demand redress of laws unconstitutional under the Second Amendment, that we would have any trouble filling our ranks with a few million? Considering that it's estimated that 45% of the American households have guns and most of those obviously support the 2A...I think we got a few million covered....lol.

But what do I know? Probably just a myth.


;P

I must apologize. We are defining fight in different ways and maybe the revolution. I have heard it repeated time and time again it was done with just 3% of the population.That as we both seem to agree is just a myth.

The overwhelming majority actively took part in the revolution, which I don't equate to the war for independence.

George Washington sucked he didn't win much, he didn't win the war, it was Independent Americans and independent militias with their rifles which were superior to British muskets and their insurgent like tactics that beat the British None of of which could be done without overwhelming support of the public.

Please read Conceived in Liberty by Murray Rothbard, excellent read lots of cites, and it really gets you into the mind of colonial Americans.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Correct and that is just the 'fighting', then there are another % that support, bring food, blankets, boots, etc

Interesting conversation you and Orphan have me now doing math.

So that would be 90-100000 folks willing to fight at the time of the revolution.

Interesting at a cursory glance it looks like the continental army never reached above 17,000. With a high rate of turn over. Maybe many were familiar with George Washington's failure and his scornful comments about the lack of help he received from colonists in fighting the French and Indian wars. (pure speculation on my part)

I have read recently though were Massachusetts alone before the war broke out had 40,000 men at hand ready to use their arms against the British.

 

[MSG Laigaie]

My Gran used to tell me to keep this thought in my heart. Those of you who have heard it, know where it came from. the rest..google

"Behind every blade of grass...."