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Obama hasn't messed witrh my guns

PistolPackingMomma

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Babe, it makes no sense to replace a perfectly good and now well trained and experienced US president with an old guy from Massachusetts who has only been governor.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!......(catches breath)....ahahahahahahah!

Your logic failure harkens back to McCain vs Obama. That was long ago.

In any NCAA debate it is only necessary to point out your logic failure. You lose.

My logic is based on the fact that the current tyrant in office had the ultimate "federal inexperience" when he took over, and yet you use that as an argument FOR him but also AGAINST Romney.

I detest Romney as equally as I loathe Obama, but I find it hilariously screwy that you give props to Obama's political record, which consisted of exactly HOW many days in the Senate, over Romney's experience as an active governor, for how many years?

...LMAO. Thanks for that, sugar. I needed a good laugh.
 

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We've had a sudden influx of new members, right before a presidential election, where they have all posted political arguments defending the gun rights record of an incumbent who is well known for his anti-gun ideology. It isn't an odd coincidence. They aren't presenting new information that we may have simply overlooked. They are trolls from liberal forums propagandizing for their candidate, and they should be identified as such.

Are you that ridiculously obtuse? Seriously ignorant? Just plain stupid? Have you watched AGENDA? (link: )

Egads, I've more than a hundred links to eye-opening, if not mindblowing vids which, if your a dem, you will do either one of two things: Vomiting over what's been done so far, or renounce the party and redouble you efforts to make the American dream happen.

Grow a brain, "Hef." Find reality. Somewhere. Anywhere.
 

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Bwahahahahahahahaha!......(catches breath)....ahahahahahahah!



My logic is based on the fact that the current tyrant in office had the ultimate "federal inexperience" when he took over, and yet you use that as an argument FOR him but also AGAINST Romney.

I detest Romney as equally as I loathe Obama, but I find it hilariously screwy that you give props to Obama's political record, which consisted of exactly HOW many days in the Senate, over Romney's experience as an active governor, for how many years?

...LMAO. Thanks for that, sugar. I needed a good laugh.

Babe, SC is not a swing state. The koolaid there in SC has been duly dosed and administered. It's just not a swing state.

And that's a real nasty laugh you have there for a babe. Better work on that.
 

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I'm no Romney fan, but I know a lot of Mormons. I don't think this alone would be an issue.

And like I said, I've known a lot of Mormons. I wouldn't bet against the beer and champagne either.

There's a reason you always take TWO Mormons with you when you go camping.

Well Romney has been bragging (in his mind) that he has never tipped a glass.

That would make me wonder if he has the balls to make a hit call on a terrorist like Bin Laden either. Especially if his own political career was at stake on it going right or wrong.

The only thing we truly know about Romney is that he is a good BS-er with a track record of the complete opposite of everything that he is saying now. Hard if not impossible to trust anyone like that.
 
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PistolPackingMomma

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Babe, SC is not a swing state. The koolaid there in SC has been duly dosed and administered. It's just not a swing state.

And that's a real nasty laugh you have there for a babe. Better work on that.

We weren't discussing SC, but nice dodge attempt.

Also, your attempts to be insulting are adorable. You're like a kitten that thinks its a tiger. :lol:
 

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Are you that ridiculously obtuse? Seriously ignorant? Just plain stupid? Have you watched AGENDA? (link: )

Egads, I've more than a hundred links to eye-opening, if not mindblowing vids which, if your a dem, you will do either one of two things: Vomiting over what's been done so far, or renounce the party and redouble you efforts to make the American dream happen.

Grow a brain, "Hef." Find reality. Somewhere. Anywhere.

Wow. So angry. You should probably talk to someone about whatever is bothering you.

And no, I'm not interested in your little movie.
 

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It's too bad you don't have Scalia's job or you could have written the court's opinion.

As such, when Scalia writes it becomes law.

Everybody else's is just more BS.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

My statement on handguns was a statement OF FACT. What I said about handguns is true whether you, the Supreme Court justices, or anyone else agrees.

You replied with a statement OF OPINION. Justice Scalia is entitled to believe as he chooses, and he is in the unique position of being able to determine the interpretation of laws according to his beliefs, provided his beliefs are the majority opinion amongst the justices. His opinion does not change the facts.

My post ended with my own statement OF OPINION, which I hope will never have to be argued before the Supreme Court. Would Scalia disagree with me? I don't know, and neither do you. He has family in the area. Maybe I should go pick their brains a little, when I have time.
 

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I have biological issues with incest. I don't want to support your two headed kids.


I'd have to believe it WAS a "baby" in any meaningful sense for it to be "murder". Do you oppose the "murder" of sperm?


Not completely. I think sometimes it makes sense in specific instances, with specific victims of discrimination. At a certain point, you have to ask whether you're righting an existing wrong, or just paying off a constituency.

1)so then you dont support 'marriage equality'. there are tons of biological issues with same sex relationships, namely they are incompatible. Also the prevalence to stds among gays. but why should you "issue" warrant deny 'rights' to people who love each other? furthermore i wasnt merely talking about incest, but polygamy in general. Why do you want to deny "rights" to 3 dudes and 2 girls who all want to marry each other.

2) you said you were only for abortion in the first trimester. i asked what magical occurrence happens between 91 and 92 that it becomes the cutoff for when abortion is acceptable. As for your ridiculously stupid question about sperm murder. no. Sperm isnt fertilized, its your own dna, your own genetics. it has no separate life processes. Now when the sperm joins with the egg, and fertilizes. Separate biological processes occur. The baby has its own unique DNA, different from both the mother and the father. it has its own genetic code. it now has its own distinct and separate life, with its own body parts.
This is basic science/biology here, it should be quite simple to understand. but please answer my question about what happens in 1 day were it is permissible to kill the child, and the next day its murder?

3) so you support racism and discrimination, i thought you said you didnt. But while you are at it can you advocate for me to be on the basketball team, i think its quite unfair that that arent any white people on it.
 

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Yep. At fertilization a new, complete, and unique set of DNA is created, i.e. a new, complete, and unique human being. (Oh, and if anyone wants to argue the "complete" part because the fetus is not fully developed, don't forget that even after birth, people are not fully developed--usually not for about 20 years. The human is complete in that he contains his full definition, as opposed to a sperm or ovum, which does not contain the complete definition of a new and unique person.)

The murder of "sperm" is a silly argument designed to deflect.
 

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Touché'Though, a careful study of the Thirty Years War will reveal that the Catholic vs. "protestant" (Calvinism really) angle is misleading. The Thirty Years War was not really about faith, or even religion (denomination), it was about power ---> money & power to be exact. Then again what wars are ever fought over principles.Well done and +1 to you Sir.

This was my point and why I made the statement earlier that even those on the ground may think it's religious in nature that ultimately somewhere down the line it's about money. (or land, food, power).

European nations states have spent years slaughtering each other, even though they claim to be "christian" countries.

Colonial history on this continent especially Massachusetts bay were well known for it's intolerance of other Christians who didn't follow their particular brand of faith.

History shows us though through these examples when you target a faith and war against a faith you will do nothing but increase those ranks in that faith.

You know what is doing the most harm to Muslim extremism? Bollywood movies. (interesting side note, not our physical wars)
 

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Not sure if Romney would have been able to give the order to kill Bin Laden. Romney is way too religious to drink a beer or glass of champaign that I have to doubt he would be able to make a kill order as well.

Shoobee, I am a Mormon. I've never had a drop of alcohol to drink in my entire life. Mormon's typically have no issues with capital punishment or serving in the military (As I did). There are plenty of stories contained in our scriptures (The Bible and the Book of Mormon) of lawful, righteous people who had to take a life.

I would not equate being Mormon, or religious as not being able to take a life when it is required.

Scott
 

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It is amazing how much people think they know about Mormons. I know a lot more than most, having worked directly for a Mormon chaplain--at the time the only one ever--and had the chance to talk to him extensively. And what I know would fill a thimble.

Stop talking through your hats folks. Judge Romney by what he has said and done. Do you know how much this man gives to charity? He is probably the most decent man to run for the presidency in my lifetime.


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It is amazing how much people think they know about Mormons. I know a lot more than most, having worked directly for a Mormon chaplain--at the time the only one ever--and had the chance to talk to him extensively. And what I know would fill a thimble.

Stop talking through your hats folks. Judge Romney by what he has said and done. Do you know how much this man gives to charity? He is probably the most decent man to run for the presidency in my lifetime.


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Ummm. If he was decent, he wouldn't be the big-government, lying, pandering, flip-flopping, war-mongering politician he is. Most of his governance involved the threat of pointing guns in people's faces to coerce them into surrendering a portion of their produce to him and his co-conspirators for either their consumption or redistribution.

Skip ahead to 5:09 min and watch through 6:15 min for an example of a decent person:

[video=youtube;Mh8gjCXS2dE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh8gjCXS2dE[/video]
 
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Gil223

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Well Romney has been bragging (in his mind) that he has never tipped a glass.

That would make me wonder if he has the balls to make a hit call on a terrorist like Bin Laden either. Especially if his own political career was at stake on it going right or wrong.

The only thing we truly know about Romney is that he is a good BS-er with a track record of the complete opposite of everything that he is saying now. Hard if not impossible to trust anyone like that.

There is no rational relationship between taking a drink - which is never required of anyone - and one's ability (and DO NOT confuse "ability" with desire) to take a life - or many lives (if conditions require it) - which some of us have been called upon to do in service to our country. It is the President's responsibility to make the tough calls when necessary, not to avoid them and then leverage a subordinate into taking responsibility for the failure. Obama didn't "make the call" to eliminate bin Laden, that call was made by military leaders, Leon Panetta and Hillary. According to at least one article, Obama wasn't even informed until Seal Team 6 was in the air and on their way to Abottabad. Those who made the decision had wearied of Obama waving them off on three previous occasions when Osama's whereabouts were known.

And, that may be all you know about Romney. However, to those who are observant, he is known for his charitable works, his success in turning around poorly performing businesses, and having been the Chief Executive of a state - none of which Obama can claim. Talk about a BS'er! I can now understand why you admire Obama... "dung beetles" love BS! :rolleyes:
 

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Ummm. If he was decent, he wouldn't be the big-government, lying, pandering, flip-flopping, war-mongering politician he is. Most of his governance involved the threat of pointing guns in people's faces to coerce them into surrendering a portion of their produce to him and his co-conspirators for either their consumption or redistribution.

Skip ahead to 5:09 min and watch through 6:15 min for an example of a decent person:

[video=youtube;Mh8gjCXS2dE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh8gjCXS2dE[/video]

I have to take exception to the first and last adverbs you use to describe Romney. According to all I have seen and heard, Romney's position is for reducing the size of government, and the "war-mongering" claim is unsubstantiated. As for his "governance", what kind of drugs are you taking? Also, the "lying, pandering" and "flip-flopping", are job requirements for politicians. How do you think Obama got elected... by being honest and forthright? :lol: Pax...
 
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I have to take exception to the first and last adverbs you use to describe Romney. According to all I have seen and heard, Romney's position is for reducing the size of government, and the "war-mongering" claim is unsubstantiated. As for his "governance", what kind of drugs are you taking? Also, the "lying, pandering" and "flip-flopping", are job requirements for politicians. How do you think Obama got elected... by being honest and forthright? :lol: Pax...

I don't really care what his position is; look at his record. Also, you realize you just said his position was such-and-such and then said he had to be a liar?

By war-mongering, I am referring to his tough stance on Iran.

Regarding his governance, do you think the government coerces people to pay taxes in any other way than the threat of guns pointed in their faces? Nevermind that if you stand firm and actually defend yourself against their depredations, they will kill you in your living room.

Regarding reducing the size of government, bullhockey. I'll believe it when I see it. His whole game at Bain Capital was taking advantage of crony capitalism (alliance between government and business). He fully understands the relationship between government and big business already. He's not going to change that. No with his record, in and out of government.

Oh, and I forgot to mention his ads saying China was cheating (currency manipulation). Boy, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.* He is not currently a currency manipulator, but he is certainly a part of that system and has made no such accusation against the US despite it being very well deserved. Nor has he said he will end the currency manipulation by the United States (fedgov and Fed).*



*In Third-World countries, the people worry about the government devaluing the currency. As in, on some Tuesday the government declares that ten pesos is now one peso. HA! Rookies! Why, our fedgov and Federal Reserve have this game figured out! Our boys manipulate the currency almost weekly, always in the direction of devaluation. I always say don't settle for second best when it comes to economic tyrants. Oh, no! If you are going to be oppressed, settle only for the very best: our fedgov and Federal Reserve. You see, they know they don't have to declare a devaluation. All they have to do is run up deficits (spending based on borrowing), and the Federal Reserve just manufactures more and more money out of thin air to cover it. This inflation of the money supply is the direct cause of price inflation (more money chasing the same amount of goods), which is just another word for reduction in value of the currency.

This is why China about had a stroke back when Bernanke announced QEII last year. The Chinese hold an awful lot of US sovereign debt (government debt). They knew that Bernanke's printing of $700BN out of thin air (QEII) would devalue the dollar. Meaning, the debt they held would be paid off with dollars worth less than the dollars loaned. Anytime and every time a US official or candidate accuses some other country of unfair monetary practices, remember that the US fedgov and Federal Reserve have been playing currency games for 99 years, and even more so in the last decade. Then, after you remember that, start to wonder why that official or candidate is pointing fingers at somebody else. Are they trying to deflect attention? Are they trying to make you hate somebody you don't even know? What policy, to be revealed after a few weeks, are they whipping up public support for?

Don't underestimate the significance of our debt problem with China. In Sept or so, I think it was Reuters who reported that a couple Chinese generals were recommending economic war over Taiwan. The Chinese can wreck our economy in just a few weeks by dumping their US Treasury bonds on the world's bond markets. How does that work? Just like this. Our government has to spend, and spend, and spend. In order to do it without taxing us into poverty it has to borrow, borrow, borrow. Well, if the world bond markets are flooded with US Treasury bonds, then the US government has that much more trouble selling its next issue of bonds (borrowning). Also, as the supply of bonds goes up on the market, the value of the bonds goes down. Here is how that works. Lets say a $100 bond usually sells for $93, (the other $7 being the 7% interest on the bond.) But, as bonds flood the market, the value of bonds maybe goes down to $85. Here is the other whammy. If the bonds go down in price, it means the Treasury has to sell even more of them to get the money it wants (but still has to pay the face value at maturity to redeemers.) So, it gets harder to sell bonds, and you have to sell more of them to raise the same amount of money. And, it has to pay off that higher interest at maturity to redeemers.

I am scared to death of an economic war of this nature with China. No, no, no, no. Anybody who would blunder us into such a war, or deliberately provoke one, is insane with a capital i. Thus, when I saw the anti-China commentary in Romney's ads, I sat bolt upright, my hair standing on end. WTF! is he talking about!?! He had better be lying.
 
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1)so then you dont support 'marriage equality'. there are tons of biological issues with same sex relationships, namely they are incompatible. Also the prevalence to stds among gays. but why should you "issue" warrant deny 'rights' to people who love each other? furthermore i wasnt merely talking about incest, but polygamy in general. Why do you want to deny "rights" to 3 dudes and 2 girls who all want to marry each other.
I have no problem with consensual polygamy AT ALL.

While I support gay marriage, I find gays who cast aspersions on polygamy in order to make gay marriage seem "normal", dispicably hypocritical.
 

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The Colombian Civil War and Mexico's war on drug cartels are listed as current wars, and involve mostly (if not all) confirmed Catholics on all sides.

Granted, these are not daily high-intensity conflicts, but the slaughter is there (1/4 million Colombians since the war started). I've personally lived in both of those countries.
The faith of those involved in those wars is likely not the primary motivator to continue hostilities.
 
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