NYC mayor to release anti-gun ad in Virginia

[Sheriff]

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DoubleR wrote:

Thanks for the link, Sheriff. The antis comments... unbelievable.

One of the anti-gun nuts in the link prays for a mass murder atan NRA meeting.

His message was deleted.

How sincere could he have been in his anti-gun beliefs in the first place? :lol:

 

[rlh2005]

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T Dubya wrote:

Is that at the airport? Is carry legal there?

No, it's not on the airport grounds. Aside from private property and the "is a hotel banquet room a restaurant for ABC purposes", there are no carry restrictions.

 

[Sheriff]

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kaiheitai17 wrote:

MeBaby wrote:

"1000 cartoons of cigarettes, having a value of $7,000.00"

HUH???

Not sure if your "HUH?" is about the "cartoons (cartons)" or the $7000.00 value assigned to the theft. Either way that is what was reported by the Sheriff's office.

Absolutely amazing. Whatever employee in the Sheriff's Office

made that press release should be issued a pocket calculator! :lol:

 

[MeBaby]

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kaiheitai17 wrote:

MeBaby wrote:

"1000 cartoons of cigarettes, having a value of $7,000.00"

HUH???

Not sure if your "HUH?" is about the "cartoons (cartons)" or the $7000.00 value assigned to the theft. Either way that is what was reported by the Sheriff's office.

That's 7 bucks a carton. Seems mighty low compared to what you pay for them.

 

[Neplusultra]

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MeBaby wrote:

kaiheitai17 wrote:

MeBaby wrote:

"1000 cartoons of cigarettes, having a value of $7,000.00"

HUH???

Not sure if your "HUH?" is about the "cartoons (cartons)" or the $7000.00 value assigned to the theft. Either way that is what was reported by the Sheriff's office.

That's 7 bucks a carton. Seems mighty low compared to what you pay for them.

That's because the taxes hadn't been applied yet

 

[tag]

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/10/AR2009041003282.html

 

[labteche]

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Did anybody else realized the difference in the Omar Samaha, the man whose sister died in VA Tech, statements from 20/20 to The Washington Post article.During 20/20 he said an extra 100 dollars is what the seller wanted for no ID and in the article he said 75 dollars. It is a small difference but isn't that how you catch liers?

 

[IanB]

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I noticed that when I read the story at lunch today. I wouldn't be too concerned with it, writers often misquote what people say in their stories. PVC has experienced this many times.

 

[Neplusultra]

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labteche wrote:

Did anybody else realized the difference in the Omar Samaha, the man whose sister died in VA Tech, statements from 20/20 to The Washington Post article.During 20/20 he said an extra 100 dollars is what the seller wanted for no ID and in the article he said 75 dollars. It is a small difference but isn't that how you catch liers?

I noticed the exact same thing, very suspicious but the discrepancy could be attributed to the article's writer. You would have to find out if the interview was recorded on tape or perhaps how sure the author is that he said $75. If it was true as he says then there would not be two prices.....

I found it rather damning (for someone) that it was reported that the gun seller was willing to sell without ID for more money. That really sounds weird. If he was so unconcerned about ID then why did he ask for it in the first place?

 

[Neplusultra]

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I sent the following email to the WaPo staff writer that wrote the article:


Dear Ian:

I read your article, "Bloomberg Joins Va. Tech Victim's Brother...." I found a curious inconsistency in Mr. Samaha's statements in the 20/20 report and your article. In the 20/20 report Mr. Samaha stated on camera that one gun seller was willing to sell without ID for an extra $100. In your article Mr. Samaha is quoted as saying the amount was $75. This leads me to believe that either Mr. Samaha is lying, mis-spoke, or you mis-quoted him.

Could you clarify this? Do you have his statement to you on tape or recorder? Or was it from memory/notes? If the later, how sure are you of the $75 figure?

Thank you very much,

 

[nova]

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Neplusultra wrote:

labteche wrote:

Did anybody else realized the difference in the Omar Samaha, the man whose sister died in VA Tech, statements from 20/20 to The Washington Post article.During 20/20 he said an extra 100 dollars is what the seller wanted for no ID and in the article he said 75 dollars. It is a small difference but isn't that how you catch liers?

I noticed the exact same thing, very suspicious but the discrepancy could be attributed to the article's writer. You would have to find out if the interview was recorded on tape or perhaps how sure the author is that he said $75. If it was true as he says then there would not be two prices.....

I found it rather damning (for someone) that it was reported that the gun seller was willing to sell without ID for more money. That really sounds weird. If he was so unconcerned about ID then why did he ask for it in the first place?

because the whole thing was set up. Notice the Glock he 'bought' from the guy sitting out front before even going into the show. He brings it back to the car and it already has the orange gun show zip tie on it. How'd that get there if the guy was outside in line? That combined w/ the fact it's doubtful any lawful gun owner who made a point of asking for ID to sell anyhow when the prospectful buyer refuses to show ID.

 

[Neplusultra]

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nova wrote:

Neplusultra wrote:

labteche wrote:

Did anybody else realized the difference in the Omar Samaha, the man whose sister died in VA Tech, statements from 20/20 to The Washington Post article.During 20/20 he said an extra 100 dollars is what the seller wanted for no ID and in the article he said 75 dollars. It is a small difference but isn't that how you catch liers?

I noticed the exact same thing, very suspicious but the discrepancy could be attributed to the article's writer. You would have to find out if the interview was recorded on tape or perhaps how sure the author is that he said $75. If it was true as he says then there would not be two prices.....

I found it rather damning (for someone) that it was reported that the gun seller was willing to sell without ID for more money. That really sounds weird. If he was so unconcerned about ID then why did he ask for it in the first place?

because the whole thing was set up. Notice the Glock he 'bought' from the guy sitting out front before even going into the show. He brings it back to the car and it already has the orange gun show zip tie on it. How'd that get there if the guy was outside in line? That combined w/ the fact it's doubtful any lawful gun owner who made a point of asking for ID to sell anyhow when the prospectful buyer refuses to show ID.

Good observation about the orange zip tie. I suppose the seller could have gone in and come back out, but this was supposedly early on right after they opened.

 

[VCDL President]

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I think Bloomberg pushing this issue will help us. The General Assembly has already told him to mind his business once. They aren't going to appreciate his meddling again.

 

[KBCraig]

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MeBaby wrote:

"1000 cartoons of cigarettes, having a value of $7,000.00"

HUH???

Seven bucks a carton is probably pretty close to the pre-tax wholesale value of the cigarettes. I don't know why the LE agency would overlook the opportunity to magnify the value as much as possible (as in, 45 pound of rootballs and containers, plus 5 pounds of above-ground plant growth, plus a a few ounces of harvestable smokeable bud, equals "Police seize over 50 pounds of marijuana!")

Or, maybe the spokesman just missed a digit, and meant $70/carton. Even down here in the mid-south, name-brand cigs are now well over $50/carton. Two years ago they were about $27, and the difference is almost all tax increases.

I don't smoke (I hate cigarettes!), but I oppose all government efforts to limit, outlaw, or tax smokers.

 

[Neplusultra]

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Taxation should always be neutral. If it is legal why the social engineering? Make up your mind and make it illegal if society doesn't like it. Otherwise butt out of my business.

 

[richarcm]

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I see this sort of as warfare. The antis are playing by the old rules. They are dropping bombs but only one at a time in very managable sequences. Bombs that we are aware of and are able to do a little damage control with.

We, the 2A activists are more like modern warriors. We play by the new rules. We separate into cells working undercover and working our way through the public one person at a time. Persistently. Day in, Day out. Everywhere. Arlington, Fairfax, Alexandria, Richmond, Virginia Beach, Harrisonburg.....

The antis may be able to make a pretty explosive impact with these clan like protests against civil rights but they are short lived and only reach a limited audience. People these days, especially in this country, have short memories. Once the emotion has drained from the anti-s 20/20 episodes and the Bloomberg clans meetings....we can continue once again to show people why guns are important.

I think our biggest ammo is not Open Carrying or writing our legislatures. Our biggest ammo is talking to people. Education. We can temporarily fix a few booboos with mass emails/phone calls to legislatures. But the longterm and more powerful fix is through education. Keep talking to EVERYONE you know. AND TAKE THEM SHOOTING!!!

We will win. We may lose some short term battles. But if we persist we WILL win the war.

 

[AbNo]

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Very inspirational, Rich.

 

[richarcm]

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AbNo wrote:

Very inspirational, Rich.

Bloomberg is no dummy. He has noticed how more and more people are getting gun crazy in Virginia. More and more laws are being either weakened or removed from the books. Part of what he wants is to come here as some hotshot mayor from some hotshot city and intimidate us. He wants to spook us and to therefor make us lose momentum. But we won't. This just makes us more motivated to get out there and do EVERYTHING that we can to counter his efforts. But remember, don't just stop at OCing. OCing by itself doesn't accomplish much. 3/4 of the time you are mistaken for a cop or an agent or simply nobody even notices. Call your officials, correct misleading editorials, talk to everyone around you. Focus on the youth when possible. Take as many skeptics shooting as are willing to go with you. That is the big one. Take it one person at a time but, as they say in the restaurant industry, turn and burn! Educate as many people as you can. TEACH TEACH TEACH!

:dude:

 

[wylde007]

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It's just nice for me to hear other good Virginians calling these scumbags exactly what they are...

Yankee.
Carpetbagger.

Hoo-ah. Until the realization is made that this is all these people are and it is all they stand for... Kaine is one of them, not one of us.

 

[Grapeshot]

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wylde007 wrote:

It's just nice for me to hear other good Virginians calling these scumbags exactly what they are...

Yankee.
Carpetbagger.

Hoo-ah. Until the realization is made that this is all these people are and it is all they stand for... Kaine is one of them, not one of us.

O_mama, Bloomberg and now Kaine.

A stacked deck with somebody cheating.

Yata hey