Torquemaster69
Regular Member
Australian - Why do you carry a gun with you? Are you paranoid? Your country has more crime because of guns.
Me - I carry a gun because it is my right to do so. It is my protection as well as protection for those around me. And no...I'm not paranoid...I am prepared
Australian - Its proven that the more guns you have, the more violence there is. Your country is the perfect example of this.
Me - Well....we could be like the UK and ban all guns and have the crime rate actually go up because no one has the ability to defend themselves. Hitler tried gun control and look what happened there. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns
Australian - If you still don't get it Yanke look at statistics of armed robberies in the US verse the UK if that still doesn't prove my point then I look forward to the day that you red neck hicks have inbred and shot yourselves out of existence.
Me - So....you are combining LAW ABIDING CITIZENS that have firearms with criminals to prove your point....you just lost this argument based on that alone....Since the UK has banned guns....why WOULD some of them need them to commit "armed robberies"? Also look at the VAST population difference go to percentages. You are generalizing. I open carry my pistol all the time and not one time has ANYONE ever wanted to "take a shot at me" just because I am carrying a firearm. I was MORE of a target before I started carrying my pistol. Again...Law Abiding Citizens vs (for lack of a better term) Bad Guys.
Australian - Exactly my point they are law abiding until the day they go postal! Think we're going to have to agree to disagree dude no ones going to win this argument, I'm just happy I live here where it's safe in Australia and you can wear you're cow boy boots and gun about in the States.
Me - HAHA.....I don't wear cowboy boots...I just have jeans, T-Shirt and regular shoes.....but you can go back to riding kangaroos though
Australian - Hey, leave my kangaroo alone. So my American friend, do you still support you're countries relaxed gun laws after a previously "law abiding citizen" used legally obtained guns and ammunition to murder twelve innocent people in a movie theater?
Me - Yes I do.....I support my right to keep and bear arms. I don't support the person that feels that they need to murder and hurt someone. The terrorists that crashed the planes into the World Trade Center were "law abiding citizens" until they took over the planes. It is one thing to be an actual law abiding citizen.... It is another to be "law abiding" citizen with intent to do harm later.
Australian - So how in the name of public safety do you differentiate between the two?
Me - That is the reason for the second amendment rights if the actual law abiding citizens see something going in (like what happened in that theater) they can act upon it. Remember, when seconds count, cops are only minutes away
Australian - So you're answer to the issue is that every member of you're country should carry a firearm at all time to carry out vigilante justice at their own discretion? Seems like a bad idea by my logic. My heart bleeds for the innocent live lost in that theater and for the people that will continue to lose their lives at the hands of you're second amendment. After all the second amendment was first introduced in 1791 (I realize it was adjusted in the past couple of years) and was really designed to allow the American people protect the sovereignty of you're country, it's of little to no relevance now. What happened in that movie theater is not an isolated case in America's modern history how many more massacres are enough to make people re think the you're countries stance on gun control and the second amendment?
Me - So....basically, what you are saying is that you would rather run away like a coward and let people die, than be the one person with a handgun (Because it is your right to have one) and save lives and most likely yourself? Who said anything about "vigilante justice"? That is a bit over dramatized don't you think? I would rather defend myself and those around me than to let people die. But again.....that is just me
This Convo is still ongoing...lol
Me - I carry a gun because it is my right to do so. It is my protection as well as protection for those around me. And no...I'm not paranoid...I am prepared
Australian - Its proven that the more guns you have, the more violence there is. Your country is the perfect example of this.
Me - Well....we could be like the UK and ban all guns and have the crime rate actually go up because no one has the ability to defend themselves. Hitler tried gun control and look what happened there. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns
Australian - If you still don't get it Yanke look at statistics of armed robberies in the US verse the UK if that still doesn't prove my point then I look forward to the day that you red neck hicks have inbred and shot yourselves out of existence.
Me - So....you are combining LAW ABIDING CITIZENS that have firearms with criminals to prove your point....you just lost this argument based on that alone....Since the UK has banned guns....why WOULD some of them need them to commit "armed robberies"? Also look at the VAST population difference go to percentages. You are generalizing. I open carry my pistol all the time and not one time has ANYONE ever wanted to "take a shot at me" just because I am carrying a firearm. I was MORE of a target before I started carrying my pistol. Again...Law Abiding Citizens vs (for lack of a better term) Bad Guys.
Australian - Exactly my point they are law abiding until the day they go postal! Think we're going to have to agree to disagree dude no ones going to win this argument, I'm just happy I live here where it's safe in Australia and you can wear you're cow boy boots and gun about in the States.
Me - HAHA.....I don't wear cowboy boots...I just have jeans, T-Shirt and regular shoes.....but you can go back to riding kangaroos though
Australian - Hey, leave my kangaroo alone. So my American friend, do you still support you're countries relaxed gun laws after a previously "law abiding citizen" used legally obtained guns and ammunition to murder twelve innocent people in a movie theater?
Me - Yes I do.....I support my right to keep and bear arms. I don't support the person that feels that they need to murder and hurt someone. The terrorists that crashed the planes into the World Trade Center were "law abiding citizens" until they took over the planes. It is one thing to be an actual law abiding citizen.... It is another to be "law abiding" citizen with intent to do harm later.
Australian - So how in the name of public safety do you differentiate between the two?
Me - That is the reason for the second amendment rights if the actual law abiding citizens see something going in (like what happened in that theater) they can act upon it. Remember, when seconds count, cops are only minutes away
Australian - So you're answer to the issue is that every member of you're country should carry a firearm at all time to carry out vigilante justice at their own discretion? Seems like a bad idea by my logic. My heart bleeds for the innocent live lost in that theater and for the people that will continue to lose their lives at the hands of you're second amendment. After all the second amendment was first introduced in 1791 (I realize it was adjusted in the past couple of years) and was really designed to allow the American people protect the sovereignty of you're country, it's of little to no relevance now. What happened in that movie theater is not an isolated case in America's modern history how many more massacres are enough to make people re think the you're countries stance on gun control and the second amendment?
Me - So....basically, what you are saying is that you would rather run away like a coward and let people die, than be the one person with a handgun (Because it is your right to have one) and save lives and most likely yourself? Who said anything about "vigilante justice"? That is a bit over dramatized don't you think? I would rather defend myself and those around me than to let people die. But again.....that is just me
This Convo is still ongoing...lol