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Motorcyle OC

HandyHamlet

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Sounds like maybe your trying to get him to rethink his means of carry to prevent injury. Motorcycles in general are dangerous and I'm pretty sure 90% of cyclists have accepted the fact that if they crash its not going to be good. How about "thanks for carrying and supporting our rights."

Sounds like maybe I'm rethinking my means of carry to prevent injury. I have no illusions I can get anyone to think. Life is dangerous, no one gets out alive. I'm pretty sure a good percentage of motorcyclists take the time to learn about riding, and take the precautions to walk away from a crash. Hence ATGATT and my inquiry. Ever watch a motorcycle race? How about "thanks for riding and supporting our rights'?

If I were to continue with that line of reasoning, then I should also wear a helmet, a heavy leather jacket, body armor, thick gloves, multi-layered armored pants...

Ever see a motorcycle race?


Facetiousness aside... let alone how I "plan" to land on or avoid landing on it. If you're capable of of taking every single variable into consideration within that time, kudos to you. I'll keep focusing on riding rather than falling.

Yet the sidearm is a factor you are in control of, Trip was joking about how he was going to fall, and learning how to fall will help guarantee if you walk away or not.

Anyone consider a shoulder holster?
 
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NoTolerance

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Anyone consider a shoulder holster?

I have and actually own one. I also own a thigh rig. I don't really use either for pretty much identical reasons.

You haven't really offered your opinion on the "proper" way to carry on a bike yet. I'd like to learn how you would carry and how you feel that would be more advantageous in the event of an accident. You also haven't provided any evidence, anecdotal or factual, as to why one method would be "preferred" over another. What are the drawbacks to carrying OWB? IWB? 3 o'clock vs 6 o'clock, etc.? Should a carrying rider attempt to "slide" on his sidearm or avoid doing that if possible?

You're posing questions (presumably) in an effort to promote thought on the subject, yet offering nothing in return so far. And you've obviously put a lot of thought into this.

I'm not new to riding, but I am relatively new to carrying. You now have an opportunity to share your wisdom and experience with a "newbie", so teach me. How does "HandyHamlet" carry while riding and why?
 

mohawk001

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Who said they shouldn't? BS. The question I posed would not even be thought of by a non or inexperienced rider. Because they don't think about laying a bike down. Don't know how to do it. Or why one would do it. But thanks for playing! :banana:

Who said you did say it? You didn't even play and still lost.

And don't get snide when you think laying a bike down is the same as an accident. For most people I know they are two different things. It's the fault of the person writing when people don't understand what is being said or asked because we can't read what it is you are thinking.

As for what I did with my weapon when I crashed, I don't even remember the exact crash, so I'm sure that I didn't care about the weapon at the time. All I know is I was going down a dirt road, hit some washboard, told myself to slow down, and then told myself to get up off the ground and from under the bike. The LEO took my weapon which was CC under the arm at the time, and then I got it back as I left the ER six hours later with my broken ribs, concusion, road rash, and vertigo that lasted all that summer, after a friend came and picked me up. They even used superglue to close the cuts on my head. But, at least I walked/stumbled away from the bike before the ambulance came and the vertigo kicked in, unlike one of my friends who was hit a couple of weeks ago and is just one or two steps above a veg.

As others have said, riding is of course dangerous, because of cagers and other bikers who are doing stupid things if nothing else. My town of 50k is a good example. Less than 96 hours, three accidents involving bikes, one death. All the cause of cagers in those cases. Last year wasn't too good either. Not much you can do though when someone just plain old runs you over and I'm sure thinking of the weapon in that case doesn't mean jack.
 

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I have and actually own one. I also own a thigh rig. I don't really use either for pretty much identical reasons.

You haven't really offered your opinion on the "proper" way to carry on a bike yet. I'd like to learn how you would carry and how you feel that would be more advantageous in the event of an accident. You also haven't provided any evidence, anecdotal or factual, as to why one method would be "preferred" over another. What are the drawbacks to carrying OWB? IWB? 3 o'clock vs 6 o'clock, etc.? Should a carrying rider attempt to "slide" on his sidearm or avoid doing that if possible?

You're posing questions (presumably) in an effort to promote thought on the subject, yet offering nothing in return so far. And you've obviously put a lot of thought into this.

I'm not new to riding, but I am relatively new to carrying. You now have an opportunity to share your wisdom and experience with a "newbie", so teach me. How does "HandyHamlet" carry while riding and why?

I look at it this way. You ride with one how you are most comfortable without the weapon getting in your way and in a way that you will hopefully not lose it if anything does happen. After all, if you're always worrying about your weapon because it's uncomfortable or you're always having to shift it because it's moving and getting in your way or you don't feel it may be secure enough, then how can you concentrate fully on the ride and being safe. I do use a shoulder holster under my vest and then carry enough rounds under the other arm to balance out the weight to make it more comfortable for me. But that is my style. Others I ride with use a CC vest or carry small "pocket pistols" that they either slip into their pockets or are so small that once they put the holstered weapon on the inside of their waistband you can't tell it's there. A few OC, but for the most part when we're riding as a group we don't OC as much.
 

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how do police plan to lay down their Motorcycle with a side arm on ?

Their rigid saddle bags and crash bars are so wide the cops never touch the ground when they slide? :banana:

You now have an opportunity to share your wisdom and experience with a "newbie", so teach me. How does "HandyHamlet" carry while riding and why?

I haven't offered because I don't know. Haven't carried while riding yet. Never thought about till this thread. I have not provided evidence because I have not offered any opinion until your request. And I have none regarding the subject at this time.

Hence my original question.

However, since I utilize tank, side, or tail bags, depending on which bike I'm on, I will most likely continue my habit of having nothing on my person while riding. Everything one would normally carry in pockets goes into a small camera bag. The bag then goes into the larger bags. There are several reasons for this. One is I want nothing in my pockets in the event of a crash. Two, I know where everything is and don't have to continually search 100 pockets. Three, everything stays dry. I will most likely have my sidearm secured in the camera bag since none of my bikes offer an advantageous mount for a holster. Since reading the OP I have however considered a shoulder holster as an option. It seems the safest place to least get hung up on something if going over the bars or whatever. Won't slide on it there either.

I personally would be hesitant to have it on the hip at nine or three o'clock for fear of hip injury. Or at six o'clock for fear of spinal injury. I want to minimize damage and walk away from an accident.

Hope this satisfies your inquiry.


Who said you did say it? You didn't even play and still lost.

uh, say what?


And don't get snide when you think laying a bike down is the same as an accident. k.

Never said that. Never used the word "accident". I said laying it down. Krista made a comment. Where I come from laying a bike down on purpose vs, losing the back end and sliding down the road are the same things. However, others have started throwing around the word accident since those posts, so I have as well. Even though I knew it was going to be a bad idea.

Clear enough for you?
 
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NoTolerance

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I haven't offered because I don't know. Haven't carried while riding yet. Never thought about till this thread. I have not provided evidence because I have not offered any opinion until your request. And I have none regarding the subject at this time.

Hence my original question.

However, since I utilize tank, side, or tail bags, depending on which bike I'm on, I will most likely continue my habit of having nothing on my person while riding. Everything one would normally carry in pockets goes into a small camera bag. The bag then goes into the larger bags. There are several reasons for this. One is I want nothing in my pockets in the event of a crash. Two, I know where everything is and don't have to continually search 100 pockets. Three, everything stays dry. I will most likely have my sidearm secured in the camera bag since none of my bikes offer an advantageous mount for a holster. Since reading the OP I have however considered a shoulder holster as an option. It seems the safest place to least get hung up on something if going over the bars or whatever. Won't slide on it there either.

I personally would be hesitant to have it on the hip at nine or three o'clock for fear of hip injury. Or at six o'clock for fear of spinal injury. I want to minimize damage and walk away from an accident.

Hope this satisfies your inquiry.

It does. Thanks for sharing your point of view. I would avoid 6 o'clock at all costs for the same reason. However, if you're hitting the ground hard enough to cause a hip injury, I would question how much a sidearm would actually contribute to it. Whether you hit the concrete, a rock, or a holstered sidearm on your hip, I think the likelihood of a hip injury is pretty even across the board. Except you might be left with a neat-looking gun-shaped bruise as well. ;)

If you used a shoulder holster, I assume you'd wear it under a vest or jacket? Otherwise I could see that easily becoming a snag point.
 

HandyHamlet

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If you used a shoulder holster, I assume you'd wear it under a vest or jacket? Otherwise I could see that easily becoming a snag point.

Yep, under.

Wondering if falling on a sidearm while at six o'clock will compound any injury because the contact point and all your weight is now on that one point instead of distributed along more of your side and armor/padding.
 

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Their rigid saddle bags and crash bars are so wide the cops never touch the ground when they slide? :banana:

Who told you that? Unless you have some miracle straping holding you to the seat, your ass is on the ground regardless of bags or bars. You cant fight gravity And yes, I have laid my bike down.
 

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Yep, under.

Wondering if falling on a sidearm while at six o'clock will compound any injury because the contact point and all your weight is now on that one point instead of distributed along more of your side and armor/padding.

I havent laid down with a sidearm, but I assume that its going to hurt. I dont think riding armor will be a great help. I see it like anything else in life. There are risks and its all about what risks your willing to take. I dont ride all the time armed, but on longer trips I will. If I'm running to Walgreens (about 3 blocks from home) I dont bother.
 

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No one. It was a joke. Hence the dancing banana.



:question:

And yet racers continually crash at ridiculous speeds and walk away unscathed???


Oh, didnt realize thats what the banana was for. The majority of the armor is in the plastic inserts at the elbows and knees. I dont think they have any gun plateing. The teflon coating on the fabric/leather helps them slide rather than roll. Its the roll that causes the most injury, that and sliding into things.:eek:
 

Chap

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I CC right side IWB 3 o'clock 24/7 unless in an area prohibited. Works well for me while driving my truck or sitting in a chair. Just purchased a 2012 Harley and I haven't had any problems with my IWB XDM 45 riding along at same 3 o'clock position.

When I did law enforcement while serving in the US Coast Guard, we were instructed not to keep hand cuffs at 6 o'clock. Exact reason as stated earlier about spinal injury.

I wrecked my KZ1000 in the 1980's without any fancy riding gear. I was doing 40 miles an hour when struck by a car crossing two lanes of traffic. Happened fast, I remember enjoying my ride then thinking OH $h_t. Next thing I remember was standing up next to my wrecked bike. Luckily no injuries. No time to think, and pretty shaky after the wreck to care about my stuff just happy to be alive and that I have full vehicle insurance coverage. I would however tell the responding cop that I have a firearm or did and it's laying around somewhere. Wouldn't want it to be found by a kid or someone not trained in its safeties.
 
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my primary concern these days is; are those Cheeseburgers in the saddle bags warm and safe?
 

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However, if you're hitting the ground hard enough to cause a hip injury, I would question how much a sidearm would actually contribute to it. Whether you hit the concrete, a rock, or a holstered sidearm on your hip, I think the likelihood of a hip injury is pretty even across the board. Except you might be left with a neat-looking gun-shaped bruise as well. ;)

If you used a shoulder holster, I assume you'd wear it under a vest or jacket? Otherwise I could see that easily becoming a snag point.

A friend of mine did hit and slide a bit on his weapon that he wore on his right hip. He had to replace the grips and the slide on the weapon just to get rid of the marks, otherwise it was in good shape. Not like he intended to slide on it at all and no way he could stay on it if he had wanted. His hip though wasn't any more damaged than any other parts of him. Not saying though that it couldn't hurt someone else in ways that it didn't hurt him. Each accident is unique after all.

And I think for a shoulder holster on a motorcycle the safest way is to wear something over it. I know that's how I wear mine and others have also said it would be better. Even if you use the straps like some shoulder holsters have to hold the holster to your belt, there is a lot to get snagged and to catch the wind and start twisting or swinging a little. I personally wouldn't feel the safest with my weapon swinging around in the wind while I ride.
 
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we need to stop the topic for now, there is something much more important to do that has been brought to my attention:
 

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My Glock 30 is specifically designed for riding:

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