Michigan open carry reference chart

[stainless1911]

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I disagree. Having a license to medical marijuana does make its possession and use a legal activity. Just a having a CPL makes concealing your gun legal, and you must have a license for driving a car or that would also be illegal.

The cite you mentioned is correct, (and necessary) but as noted in the cite, the law referred to the motor vehicle code as a reference. If you drink, but are not drunk, you can drive, own a car, and possess a valid license. Similarly, your drivers license is not revoked if you are caught with marijuana, or are high, or even if you are taking, and failing drug screening from the courts. As long as you are not high, you would be considered legal.

I have no doubt they would be trying to prosecute for this, they have a history for targeting patients, as well as gun owners. With a good lawyer, you will win, but you will be the test case as well. I would suggest getting help from NORML the national organization for the reform of marijuana laws. http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3376.

I would love to see this won, somebody needs to do it, this is a freedom issue, as well as a constitutional one.

Don't hate, they aren't that different from us in what they are doing. I don't smoke, but I am in full support of any use of marijuana.

 

[SlowDog]

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So....consider me stupid but I was under the impression it was already established that we could OC in PFZ's because of the Grandholm decision. So are we now to understand Judges aren't following this and we are back to NO OC IN PFZ's? WTF!?!?!?!

 

[autosurgeon]

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SlowDog wrote:

So....consider me stupid but I was under the impression it was already established that we could OC in PFZ's because of the Grandholm decision. So are we now to understand Judges aren't following this and we are back to NO OC IN PFZ's? WTF!?!?!?!

We can... don't worry about stainless and his situation as it was not what it has been advertised to be.

 

[stainless1911]

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The AG opinion, is exactly that, an opinion, that the judge may or may not use as a guide. In the case of OC at a school, you could easily be found guilty of violating the terms of a licence. Its a coin toss.

 

[Bailenforcer]

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stainless1911 wrote:

I disagree. Having a license to medical marijuana does make its possession and use a legal activity. Just a having a CPL makes concealing your gun legal, and you must have a license for driving a car or that would also be illegal.

The cite you mentioned is correct, (and necessary) but as noted in the cite, the law referred to the motor vehicle code as a reference. If you drink, but are not drunk, you can drive, own a car, and possess a valid license. Similarly, your drivers license is not revoked if you are caught with marijuana, or are high, or even if you are taking, and failing drug screening from the courts. As long as you are not high, you would be considered legal.

I have no doubt they would be trying to prosecute for this, they have a history for targeting patients, as well as gun owners. With a good lawyer, you will win, but you will be the test case as well. I would suggest getting help from NORML the national organization for the reform of marijuana laws. http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3376.

I would love to see this won, somebody needs to do it, this is a freedom issue, as well as a constitutional one.

Don't hate, they aren't that different from us in what they are doing. I don't smoke, but I am in full support of any use of marijuana.

I hate to say this, but read it carefully. The operative word is "controlled Substance" and Marijuana is defined in Federal Law as a controlled Substance. Michigan Law refers to Federal definitions of what a controlled substnace is. There is no Michigan only definition of controlled substance that I am aware of. All Michigan references to controlled substances come from Federal Law designations of said controlled subtance. Thus it is illegal to take, use, smoke, or consume Marijuana while licensed with a CPL. But there is now a question raised here. All Prescirption drugs are also covered under the controlled substance act, so if the Doctor gives you Vicodin for pain, technically it could be said your CPL is now in conflict with the use of a controlled substance (Vicodin)?

 

[stainless1911]

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That is how I understand it.

This is why I feel that you would likely win with good counsel, but as I cautioned, you will likely be an expensive test case without your "rights" for a bit.

This can and should be won.

 

[Bailenforcer]

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stainless1911 wrote:

That is how I understand it.

This is why I feel that you would likely win with good counsel, but as I cautioned, you will likely be an expensive test case without your "rights" for a bit.

This can and should be won.

Since I was in High School I argued the Judicial system was corrupt and heading to hell in a hand basket. The vast majority of judges today are nothing more than lemmings to the Federal mindset. I do agree with you the case should be won, but I have doubts that it "can" be won. The Chicago gun case before the Supreme court will be interesting and may, and I say May carefully, but may show us what direction this corrupt Supreme court is all about.

It is clear as day that the intentions of the founding fathers was to have "unrestricted" gun rights, not thhis post 1968 insanity we have now. For the record I am also pro responsible automatic weapons ownership.

We need mass resistance, IE every law abiding American should follow the First Lady Regans advice, just say NO to any gun laws, that restrict the rights of law abiding citizens.

 

[stainless1911]

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so true. I am really concerned about the scotus chicogo thing now that the socialists have taken over.

 

[Bailenforcer]

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stainless1911 wrote:

so true. I am really concerned about the scotus chicogo thing now that the socialists have taken over.

yea so Souter can render another decision where the media and NRA calls it a victory and has anyone read the DC opinion? It was a JOKE! The opinion of the court left a huge open for restrictions.

 

[anetsprungen]

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Thanks, Warchild, for starting this thread, and to everybody who participated in it. This has been very informative and useful for me.

Until last weekend, I never gave "open carry" much thought. I've been living in a rural area of Barry County for sixteen years now, and regularly carry handguns/shotguns/carbines/rifles about my property; albeit more so in the last five years with the growing predations of coyotes. I have long considered guns to be little more than another tool to do a job. In the township where I live, LEO's have rarely been called and rarely seen. While most of my neighbors have some pretty strong opinions about gun ownership and the perceived right to defend our property against all comers, there have simply been no incidents to discuss, so I turned to the Internet.

I found especially interesting, the interweaving of concealed carry and open carry, regarding vehicles. It becomes obvious very quickly that the laws and amendments are written by and for city dwellers. More often these days, rural property is divided into non-contiguous parcels that require traveling from one parcel to another.

So to require a farmer to get a CCP to openly carry a pistol on his tractor or side-by-side quad as he travels from parcel to parcel seems absurd, but from what I have read today, perfectly legal. While I cannot imagine a sheriff's deputy or state patrolman stopping and arresting a farmer going about his business of tending to his property, the possibility certainly exists. I definitely cannot imagine said farmer transporting an unloaded, secured firearm because that defeats the purpose of transporting it with him in the first place.

Coyote sightings are almost daily, while bear and cougar sightings are on the rise, in my opinion. (Just because these sightings are not reported to LEAs or the news does not make them any less valid.) The simple fact of coyote packs getting into barnyards to harass or try to kill the livestock make venturing out-of-doors more risky every year. Especially for our youngsters attempting to feed the animals.

I had never seriously considered concealled carry in the past, but I am now.

I suspect my motto will be, "Open Carry when I can, Concealed Carry when I must."


Roy

 

[WARCHILD]

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Thanks & Welcome Roy: You will find lots of info and good people on this forum. I like your motto also (mind if I use it?). If you have any questions, just ask and someone will get you an answer.

 

[anetsprungen]

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Thanks!

No problem. By all means, use it and I hope others will use it, too.

I now understand much better the opening lines on the OpenCarry.org homepage.

A pro-gun Internet community focused on the right to openly carry properly holstered handguns in daily American life.
"A Right Unexercised is a Right Lost"


Roy


"Open Carry when I can, Concealed Carry when I must."

 

[WARCHILD]

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Unlawful Arrest

 

[insignia240]

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where does a horse racetrack fall under?? is it legal to OC at a racetrack if you have a valid CPL?

 

[SpringerXDacp]

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insignia240 wrote:

where does a horse racetrack fall under?? is it legal to OC at a racetrack if you have a valid CPL?

The racetracks would fall under the Michigan Gaming Control Act and carry (OC or CC) there would be prohibited the same as casinos in Michigan, IMO.

 

[insignia240]

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SpringerXDacp wrote:

insignia240 wrote:

where does a horse racetrack fall under?? is it legal to OC at a racetrack if you have a valid CPL?

The racetracks would fall under the Michigan Gaming Control Act and carry (OC or CC) there would be prohibited the same as casinos in Michigan, IMO.

Would this be the same for a "charity poker room"?

 

[scottisathief]

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[T Vance]

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[qqq1]

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For OC/CC in national/state parks I know the law was recently changed to allow it but is a CPL required? It's not noted in our guide if it requires a CPL or not, only that it's allowed. Specifically I want to OC at the shiawassee national wildlife refuge and I do not have a cpl.

 

[stainless1911]

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Thats a good question.I dont think we need a CPL, could someone chime in here with the answer?I want to OC at a state run little park that lets people fly R/C planes. All I know is that the DNR seems to control the place, and can give you a ticket for not having an Oakland Co. Parks window sticker.