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Marines save life of stabbed officer who was struggling to keep his firearm

OCglock1988

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"THAT" = big ole meanie snatches gun from non-formal trained citizen with cheap holster


By Melanie Stout

MILWAUKEE - A Milwaukee man found out the hard way that carrying a gun for protection doesn't always keep you safe. In fact, it may have made him a target.

The 34-year-old man legally owned a handgun and carried it out in the open in his holster for protection.

Neighbors say they knew he was always armed.

"It was kind of scary to just see him walking around all the time with that gun kind of just out in the open," said Shambria Mayham Autman. She lives near Teutonia and Good Hope and said they called him "The guy with the gun."

But it wasn't scary for at least one person who robbed "The guy with the gun" at gunpoint.

"I think he was trying to scare people off like, 'Yeah, don't mess with me,' kind of attitude, but it didn't work," Mayham Autman explained.

The president of Wisconsin Carry, Nik Clark, says 100's of thousands of people open carry and he's never heard of anything like this.

"So it really is a very unusual situation, very unique," Clark said.

The victim didn't want to go on camera but said he carried the gun because he had been jumped and held up at knife point in the past. He believes, in his case, open carry made him a target and he will no longer do it.

He said his case proves gun owners should have the right to carry concealed weapons.

Clark agrees. "By and large it is a significant deterrent, open carry is, but I think it really does make the point that Wisconsin should have concealed carry along with open carry so that people who live in a very high crime neighborhood where criminals aren't deterred by firearms would have the ability to conceal carry to protect themselves. The two really work hand in hand," Clark said.
 

chewy352

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"THAT" = big ole meanie snatches gun from non-formal trained citizen with cheap holster


By Melanie Stout

MILWAUKEE - A Milwaukee man found out the hard way that carrying a gun for protection doesn't always keep you safe. In fact, it may have made him a target.

The 34-year-old man legally owned a handgun and carried it out in the open in his holster for protection.

Neighbors say they knew he was always armed.

"It was kind of scary to just see him walking around all the time with that gun kind of just out in the open," said Shambria Mayham Autman. She lives near Teutonia and Good Hope and said they called him "The guy with the gun."

But it wasn't scary for at least one person who robbed "The guy with the gun" at gunpoint.

"I think he was trying to scare people off like, 'Yeah, don't mess with me,' kind of attitude, but it didn't work," Mayham Autman explained.

The president of Wisconsin Carry, Nik Clark, says 100's of thousands of people open carry and he's never heard of anything like this.

"So it really is a very unusual situation, very unique," Clark said.

The victim didn't want to go on camera but said he carried the gun because he had been jumped and held up at knife point in the past. He believes, in his case, open carry made him a target and he will no longer do it.

He said his case proves gun owners should have the right to carry concealed weapons.

Clark agrees. "By and large it is a significant deterrent, open carry is, but I think it really does make the point that Wisconsin should have concealed carry along with open carry so that people who live in a very high crime neighborhood where criminals aren't deterred by firearms would have the ability to conceal carry to protect themselves. The two really work hand in hand," Clark said.

CITE TO AUTHORITY or it never happened

(5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.
 

david.ross

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Well Poop. Just goes to show you always need to be in condition yellow but especially when OCing.

Something for the untrained... you're ALWAYS in condition yellow when in public, never condition white. There's a different between paranoid and being aware of your surroundings, some stories on gun forums which I've seen where a person acts completely paranoid while opencarrying, completely unnecessary.

One needs to be aware of their surroundings and subconsciously act in a way which never makes them vulnerable. When you develop such an awareness to your surroundings, you will know when you are vulnerable, you'll feel it.
 

Brimstone Baritone

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Ummm... It doesn't matter if you are armed or not, if someone has a gun already pointed at you, they win. Being armed doesn't prevent crime. Life is dangerous.

And, for the record, this wasn't a gun grab it was an armed robbery.
 

OldCurlyWolf

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Something for the untrained... you're ALWAYS in condition yellow when in public, never condition white. There's a different between paranoid and being aware of your surroundings, some stories on gun forums which I've seen where a person acts completely paranoid while opencarrying, completely unnecessary.

One needs to be aware of their surroundings and subconsciously act in a way which never makes them vulnerable. When you develop such an awareness to your surroundings, you will know when you are vulnerable, you'll feel it.

Tell that to my wife. I run from yellow to orange most of the time, depending on the surrounding conditions and have since I was in the third grade, many years ago.


Did anyone notice the very poor choice of words in the caption under the picture accompanying the article?

" CAMP PENDLETON, Calif.-Pfcs. Anthony S. Roldan, Christopher M. Smith and Ryan J. Shuey, combat engineers with 1st Combat Engineer Battalion, 1st Marine Division, stand at parade rest in front of 1st CEB's headquarters building at the San Mateo training area Oct. 8. The Marines were presented with 1st CEB Sapper Coins by Lt. Col. Andrew Niebel, commanding officer of 1st CEB, for their actions Oct. 6 when they assisted a police officer with the Long Beach Police Department who was violently attacked by a suspect yielding a knife. Roldan, is an 18-year-old from Long Beach, Calif., Smith is a 20-year-old from Lemoore, Calif., and Shuey is a 20-year-old from Huntingdon County, Pa.,Pfc. Glen Santy, 10/8/2010 8:17 AM

:cool:
 

Aaron1124

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Wow. Instead of arguing over holsters and retention training, I would have expected some praise to these three brave men for helping the officer and potentially saving his life. I take my hat off to them for their acts of courage.
 
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