Jack House
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Sounds like jaundice, should get that checked out.
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Marines save life of stabbed officer who was struggling to keep his firearm
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david.ross
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When people see an OCer, they typically do not think ,"Oh hey look a citizen." Through all my interactions with the public, there's more people who ask if I'm a cop or a <insert government profession here>. I'm probably one of the individuals who do socialize on a larger scale with the general public, passersby, etc, I've one of those faces apparently which say "Oh Hai der!"
Do I have to reiterate my experiences in Pittsburgh? Even when I don't wear fatigues or any tactical related clothing of sorts, I get "****ING COP!", "PIG!", "OINK OINK", "WANT A DOUGHNUT?" among other statements shouted behind my back.
Would a criminal come up and grab your gun... maybe in Philly or a bad part of any city.
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I think that is just your fault for looking like a LEO.
david.ross
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How do I look like a LEO when I'm wearing casual clothing?
since9
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If a $60 USD holster is crap, then my snap-retention $20 USD holster must be incredibly crappy.
As for training vs practice, training is the act of giving/receiving instruction, while practice is using the knowledge and skills one has over and over in order to improve. So, to put these into context, consider yourself trained on the true meaning of these two words, and be sure to practice their proper usage often!
As for training vs practice, training is the act of giving/receiving instruction, while practice is using the knowledge and skills one has over and over in order to improve. So, to put these into context, consider yourself trained on the true meaning of these two words, and be sure to practice their proper usage often!
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COMMANDER1911
Regular Member
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I only have an $18 USD Fobus paddle holster with an adjustable retention screw. According to the OP, I need to have my hand on my 1911 at all times unless I want to meet my maker.
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Gunslinger
Regular Member
I'm perfectly happy with my Blade-Tech, Fobus and Uncle Mikes (plus Hunter for my .357s.) If there is a threat, my hand will be a lot closer to the 1911, Hi-Power or Bersa Mini-nine I generally carry than his. If the threat gets too close, my hand will be on the pistol. The threat can then choose leaving or dying. Cops need high levels of retention; civilians don't.
david.ross
Regular Member
Most citizens do not open carry, what is wrong with your brain. Open carriers need to be using high level retention holsters.
Also to your unknowing example, since you must not have be from the east coast or california, let's see how well you're doing when some thug takes a cheap shot from behind you.
It is nice to see someone else making that distinction.
COMMANDER1911
Regular Member
Actually if someone makes the decision to open carry, they should do it with the holster they feel the most comfortable with. I'm a civilian, but I have 5 years military police behind me. I've been in every type of situation you can think of, and I don't feel like I need a high retention level. It is the responsibility of the indivdual open carrying to take retention training, and not your job to determine what equipment someone needs to carry THEIR firearm. And by the way, if you take a cheap shot from behind, there is no guarantee that the bad guy isn't going to get your firearm. level 5 or not. I've seen a man on PCP break a set of hinged handcuffs. Who's to say he wont just rip the holster off your belt. Personal equipment is a personal decision and we shouldn't criticize the equipment that is chosen.
eye95
Well-known member
I don't agree with everything gunslinger says, but I'd answer your question, "Not much at all." On the other hand, the quoted question is more appropriate in response to posts that contain insults for rhetoric.
Gunslinger
Regular Member
Your response is both uncalled for and inane. The percentage of citizens who open carry is irrelevant to the topic and immaterial to how they carry.
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fully_armed_biker
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Gunslinger...Saw you rcomments before removed and agree 100%...I too grew up in Chicago and have seen more thugs in my life than this clown could have hoped to.
You know what they say, opinions are like a$$holes...everyone's got one.
Gunslinger
Regular Member
And some people are one...
Michigander
Regular Member
The difference between what you need and what you should have for general all around use are 2 different things.
I carried with a Level 1 Uncle Mikes holster most of the time I was in Arizona. I now carry with a Level 3 Safariland, because it's a better holster, and there are a lot more people in close proximity. Both work if you mind what you're doing, short of an extremely crowded area where I will categorically say I don't care who you are, use a Level 2+ or you're out of line.
I've found that Level 2 is my minimum for not having to constantly consider everyone within 5 feet of me a potential deadly threat. With passive retention, you have to be ready to minimally use aggressive retention techniques to stop normally non issue people like children under 10 who might be really stupid and go for an easy grab. Not so much with a good level 2. I'm all for the right to high alert OC in passive retention holsters, but I wouldn't suggest it to very many people.
COMMANDER1911
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6L6GC
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there's certainly no shortage
of horse apples in this thread. Just makes me wonder how lowly free citizens with no formal training supplemented by expensive equipment and the approval of the self anointed knower-of-all-things manage to survive.
I think of the hand-wringing anti-gun kook lamenting about my open carry of a sidearm and I point out that his remarks are baseless and ask him to cite cases in which THAT has happened.
I think of the condescending pro-gun kook lamenting about my untrained open carry of a sidearm and I point that his remarks are baseless and ask him to cite cases in which THAT has happened.
"THAT" = big ole meanie snatches gun from non-formal trained citizen with cheap holster
of horse apples in this thread. Just makes me wonder how lowly free citizens with no formal training supplemented by expensive equipment and the approval of the self anointed knower-of-all-things manage to survive.
I think of the hand-wringing anti-gun kook lamenting about my open carry of a sidearm and I point out that his remarks are baseless and ask him to cite cases in which THAT has happened.
I think of the condescending pro-gun kook lamenting about my untrained open carry of a sidearm and I point that his remarks are baseless and ask him to cite cases in which THAT has happened.
"THAT" = big ole meanie snatches gun from non-formal trained citizen with cheap holster
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david.ross
Regular Member
I haven't seen any on this forum.
I do know there are free citizens with formal training supplemented by very secure equipment and know about and/or been involved in specific self defense scenarios on the forum, including myself.
XD40coyote
Regular Member
Kangaroos have a wicked big toe on each foot that they can disembowel an enemy with.