jnojr
Regular Member
Ironically, I received my invitation to renew my membership in yesterday's mail.
I hope you returned it to them with a letter declining to renew and stating why.
Ironically, I received my invitation to renew my membership in yesterday's mail.
Well, it finally happened.
See this (WVEC-TV) video, but notice what some joggers are carrying for protection. The park and trail are posted as "No Weapons".
http://www.wvec.com/my-city/nnews/Woman-groped-while-running-on-trail-in-Newport-News-138473379.html
I wonder how museum security will resolve this lady's exhibition of her "protection".
A knife? a man can disarm you, mace really? :banghead:
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Hands on is the last thing I would do, and a dog? wow.
I need to talk to a lawyer about batons, I saw a guy OCing one at a gunshow but what about cc? they arn't spring loaded.
Well, 18.2-308 is very explicit in the enumeration of prohibited concealed weapons, except for that catchall phrase "of like kind".No other defensive tool is specifically authorized by statute to be CCd other than a handgun.
http://leg1.state.va.us/000/cod/18.2-308.HTM
Now a nice hiking/walking stick (can you say crudgel) or even hand held batons would make an interesting choice. Training would make it even better.
Well, 18.2-308 is very explicit in the enumeration of prohibited concealed weapons, except for that catchall phrase "of like kind".
The woman's knife was a folding one, with a blade that looked to be about 3 or so inches long, which she wasn't shy about displaying (brandishing?). All of the edged weapons listed in the statute have hilts, which her folding knife lacks. In at least one VA court decision, the judge ruled that a steak knife wasn't "of like kind" because it lacked a hilt.
Somewhere on here there is (was) a thread about legal blade lengths. I checked the NN Code, and couldn't find any reference to an allowable length. The state statutes (that I found) impose a limit of 3" or less on school grounds (unless it's a tool, e.g. kitchen utensil). Someone please verify?
So, while her knife can clearly be used as a weapon, and does not appear to be specifically banned, is it illegal to carry it concealed? (Brandishing only applies to edged weapons with blades of 12" or longer.
Is this the "Folding Knife Loophole"?
No other defensive tool is specifically authorized by statute to be CCd other than a handgun.
http://leg1.state.va.us/000/cod/18.2-308.HTM
Now a nice hiking/walking stick (can you say crudgel) or even hand held batons would make an interesting choice. Training would make it even better.
Well, 18.2-308 is very explicit in the enumeration of prohibited concealed weapons, except for that catchall phrase "of like kind".
The woman's knife was a folding one, with a blade that looked to be about 3 or so inches long, which she wasn't shy about displaying (brandishing?). All of the edged weapons listed in the statute have hilts, which her folding knife lacks. In at least one VA court decision, the judge ruled that a steak knife wasn't "of like kind" because it lacked a hilt.
Somewhere on here there is (was) a thread about legal blade lengths. I checked the NN Code, and couldn't find any reference to an allowable length. The state statutes (that I found) impose a limit of 3" or less on school grounds (unless it's a tool, e.g. kitchen utensil). Someone please verify?
So, while her knife can clearly be used as a weapon, and does not appear to be specifically banned, is it illegal to carry it concealed? (Brandishing only applies to edged weapons with blades of 12" or longer. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+coh+18.2-282.1+702326)
Is this the "Folding Knife Loophole"?
Kind of knew that I left myself open for that.
With such a variety of divergient knife laws not covered by preemption I didn't want somebody to misapply a post here. That and "like kind" leaves the decision to the judge too often and not to my liking.
A well written statute changing CHP to CWP would be a definite improvement - or best do away with the object/tool identification and let legal honest citizens provide for their self-defense by any means - intent and results being the determining factors. I'm sure User (Dan Hawes) could expand/expound on that quite well.
In at least one VA court decision, the judge ruled that a steak knife wasn't "of like kind" because it lacked a hilt.
I keep my knife visible, I knew a cop from class who did the same.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+coh+18.2-282.1+702326
Where do these fall under?
There is preemption of a sort Grape. The Dillon Rule.
No subdivision of the state can enact a law without the permission of the state. So using the Code as permission as localities do, they cannot enact a local code more restrictive than the state code.
No other defensive tool is specifically authorized by statute to be CCd other than a handgun.
http://leg1.state.va.us/000/cod/18.2-308.HTM
Now a nice hiking/walking stick (can you say crudgel) or even hand held batons would make an interesting choice. Training would make it even better.
It occurred to me that one might attach a suitable holster to a dog harness and let the dog carry the gun. When threatened, call the dog to heel.:dude: