March on Washington 07-04-2013

[Gil223]

This will go nowhere... whatever Kokesh is, a loon, a spook, a (fill in the blank)? He has zero credibility at this point IMHO.

Many people felt that Jim Jones. leader of the People's Temple cult (of Jonestown massacre fame) had zero credibility... those people were known as "sane". However, Jones had over 900 followers. Charlie Manson had followers. The charismatic personalities of this world (Hitler, Mussolini, numerous religious leaders, Obama, Castro, etc) have little-to-no difficulty in finding followers. All they have to do is make promises that sound sincere and meet a felt need in some people and **POOF** - instant followers. Acquiring voluntary "followers" is much easier than subjugating people to their will... that's reserved for when they become followers. Kokesh is probably many things to many people... depending on their particular personality disorder. Pax...

 

[joanie]

There is no scientifically valid evidence that second hand smoke (that smoke released when someone smokes and to which a second party would be exposed) is harmful to humans. Yes some are alergic, just as some are deathly alergic to peanuts or shellfish, but we're not banning peanuts and shellfish nor telling people they can't eat them in public.

ALL of the studies on second hand smoke that I am aware of have either cherry picked the data, been too small to be statistically relevant, increased the margin of error to the point that they are not scientifically valid (they don't meet scientific standards), or have shown such a small POSSIBLE risk that they are irrelevant.

This isn't the place for this conversation. Perhaps we can discuss it here.

AmericaChat- http://s11.zetaboards.com/AmericaChat/index/

I can go into far more detail, but in short, what comes of the end is not filtered and far more harmfull to those who breathe it. Also, when someone dies from SHS, it's very seldom documented as such because their med records show them as a non smoker, it's just not considered. Also, Big Tobacco companys and government have huge motives for hiding the harmfull effects.

 

[JmE]

depending on their particular personality disorder. Pax...

Really???

 

[JmE]

For those that are subscribed to this thread, here's an update in case you didn't know...

http://clashdaily.com/2013/07/adam-kokesh-did-it-an-armed-march-on-d-c-july-4th-2013/

ADAM KOKESH DID IT: AN ARMED MARCH ON D.C., JULY 4TH 2013

...

“Can you count the felonies committed in this video? No, you can’t possibly count them all.”

There was also a URL link to a Youtube video. I tried to load it up on my Iphone, but I live in the boondocks and my cell service sucks. So I picked myself up and went into the house to view it on my laptop.

I smiled in surprise as I watched Adam Kokesh on a busy Washington DC street with the silhouette of the Capitol building behind him. I could hear lots of traffic in the background, and Adam was holding a large, twelve gauge pump shotgun about chest level. And then he spoke while loading the shotgun one round at a time.

“We will not be silent!

We will not obey!

We will not allow the government to destroy our humanity!

We are the final American revolution!

See you next Independence Day!”

...

You can view the video here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-sAGGoPidEY

I recall asking Adam this question in our last interview:

“Are you concerned that other people won’t show up to stand beside you?”

Adam’s response was immediate and sure.

“No. I’ll stand alone.”

And I’ll be darned if he didn’t go ahead and do it. Adam Kokesh marched armed on Washington DC all by himself. No one else put themselves in jeopardy. No one else stuck their head on the chopping block. It was just Adam Kokesh.

There’s an old saying in the military, “The man who gives the order, leads the charge.”

I hope that everyone had an enjoyable 4th.

 

[eye95]

I did.

And the chuckle I got from this story was the cherry on top of the sundae that was my Fourth

 

[Elm Creek Smith]

A twenty-three second clip is all they got? That's just about enough time for two guys to hop out of a car, shoot a short video, hop back in the car, and skedaddle. It's not nearly time enough for the Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police to get the call and respond to the scene. Yeah, that was some successful "march," wasn't it?

Sheesh.

ECS

 

[Grapeshot]

A twenty-three second clip is all they got? That's just about enough time for two guys to hop out of a car, shoot a short video, hop back in the car, and skedaddle. It's not nearly time enough for the Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police to get the call and respond to the scene. Yeah, that was some successful "march," wasn't it?

Sheesh.

ECS

Smoke and mirrors, hit and run......hardly qualified as a drive-by.

 

[We-the-People]

You all may think that Kokesh's video clip did nothing but how many resources are being expended trying to determine how they can file charges on him? Every dollar and every man hour we cause they to expend on such things is one less man hour and one less dollar they have to harass the rest of the country. I say good on him.

 

[eye95]

Somewhere between not much and nothing. The cops are probably laughing just as hard as some of us are at Kokesh's toe-tap in DC. They will likely leave Kokesh's nonsensical drive-by as the non-event that it is.

 

[JmE]

Sounds a lot to me like the "concealed means concealed!" crowd talking about people that open carry. Feel free to post up your longer duration videos if you've made them gents.

 

[JmE]

You all may think that Kokesh's video clip did nothing but how many resources are being expended trying to determine how they can file charges on him? Every dollar and every man hour we cause they to expend on such things is one less man hour and one less dollar they have to harass the rest of the country. I say good on him.

I agree.

 

[Grapeshot]

You all may think that Kokesh's video clip did nothing but how many resources are being expended trying to determine how they can file charges on him? Every dollar and every man hour we cause they to expend on such things is one less man hour and one less dollar they have to harass the rest of the country. I say good on him.

Good prediction!

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/0...arrant-i n-relation-to-adam-kokesh-91171.html

 

[eye95]

Good prediction!

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/0...arrant-i n-relation-to-adam-kokesh-91171.html

Page not found.

Working link: http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/0...warrant-in-relation-to-adam-kokesh-91171.html

 

[eye95]

Stupidity on the part of the police, showing their hubris.

This is going to be a very hard case to win for them, plus they risk having more of their precious laws struck down.

I can't believe that Kokesh stupidly put that chip on his shoulder and that the police even more stupidly knocked it off.

Dumbasses all around.

 

[Grapeshot]

The 31-year-old Iraq war veteran had his Herndon home searched by U.S. Park Police and Herndon Police officials on Tuesday night. He was then arrested on charges of drug possession and drug while possessing firearms.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/0...warrant-in-relation-to-adam-kokesh-91171.html

 

[We-the-People]

The 31-year-old Iraq war veteran had his Herndon home searched by U.S. Park Police and Herndon Police officials on Tuesday night. He was then arrested on charges of drug possession and drug while possessing firearms.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/0...warrant-in-relation-to-adam-kokesh-91171.html

Yet David Gregory was not prosecuted for possession of a high capacity magazine in Washington DC when he showed one on national television. Selective enforcement? tsk tsk tsk.

Still, you have to wonder why Kokesh would have drugs in his home when he had to know they would come for him. Hopefully their warrant is faulty and the evidence suppressed. I'm getting really sick of the gestapo/big brother BS being foisted upon us "for our own good". Rather Orwellian I think.

 

[Gil223]

Regardless of how we may feel about Adam Kokesh...

The man acted in a manner that was befitting of our Founding Fathers. He invaded the Federal District of Columbia, intentionally and openly violated one of their laws that he felt was unjust, and now he is suffering the consequences of his actions. Personally, I have no question about his convictions - essentially he threw a one-man Tea Party. GOOD FOR HIM! However, I DO have a very small question about his rationality... he let his passion for this subject, overrule whatever wisdom he may possess. But, he DID something! He took action, rather than just whining to his buddies and YouTube followers about D.C.'s idiotic law. I do not question his patriotism, only his common sense - and the Rubicon between the two is so "muddy" as to be almost indistinct. I must admire his philosophical conviction, but I hope the D.C. Court doesn't give him a legal conviction to go along with it. The drug charges should be dismissed if drugs weren't specified on the warrant. I have to wonder why the Park Police wasted 4½ hours destroying his gun safe (which is an EXCELLENT commercial for the Canon Safe people), rather than requesting that he open it (which, i believe, he undoubtedly would have refused to do). It seems to me like they just wanted to destroy his property! Pax...

 

[JmE]

The man acted in a manner that was befitting of our Founding Fathers. He invaded the Federal District of Columbia, intentionally and openly violated one of their laws that he felt was unjust, and now he is suffering the consequences of his actions. Personally, I have no question about his convictions - essentially he threw a one-man Tea Party. GOOD FOR HIM! However, I DO have a very small question about his rationality... he let his passion for this subject, overrule whatever wisdom he may possess. But, he DID something! He took action, rather than just whining to his buddies and YouTube followers about D.C.'s idiotic law. I do not question his patriotism, only his common sense - and the Rubicon between the two is so "muddy" as to be almost indistinct. I must admire his philosophical conviction, but I hope the D.C. Court doesn't give him a legal conviction to go along with it. The drug charges should be dismissed if drugs weren't specified on the warrant. I have to wonder why the Park Police wasted 4½ hours destroying his gun safe (which is an EXCELLENT commercial for the Canon Safe people), rather than requesting that he open it (which, i believe, he undoubtedly would have refused to do). It seems to me like they just wanted to destroy his property! Pax...

I had to read that at least three times and I can't disagree with you at all. Excellent post.

 

[We-the-People]

Just makes me want to do my own video "in" the District.......cleverly blue screened to appear that I'm there and then let them find an empty safe, no drugs, etc. if/when they ever showed up. I don't think my safe would stand up to them for 4 hours though!!! It's good and solid but that's a hell of a safe when the assailant is prepared and need not be concerned with being discovered!!!!!

 

[since9]

There is no scientifically valid evidence that second hand smoke is harmful to humans.

Despite countless scientific, peer-reviewed studies proving otherwise, people continue to make this ridiculous and long-debunked claim. :banghead: