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Madison Open Carry

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Bunkie and his alter egos can be both amusing and frustrating.

I think the "other side" of the issue could be much better represented by someone who is willing to actually engage in a fair and intelligent dialogue rather than to merely resort to abusive name calling, the inability to face the truth, and the bald assertion of erroneous information. Now I understand that Bunker is not capable of anything other than the type of crap he spewed, and also that he mirrors a fairly substantial portion of the "other side."

Clearly Bunkie had no goal of having an honest discussion. His total and repeated disregard for the facts supports my opinion. But I don't think he intended to accomplish anything other than to try to stir up a hornets nest and root around trying to get people to divulge information that is helpful to the other side. Insofar as those were his goals, his meager abilities might be up to the task. For a long time I wondered if he was just playing stupid, or if he was really as stupid as he portrayed himself. I've concluded that NOBODY is that good of an actor.

I agree with you about his fear of guns. I also believe that the fear of guns drives a good deal of the anti-OC / anti-CC rhetoric we hear from some within law enforcement. I'm not as convinced that it is a power-trip thing where they wish to be the only legally armed people out and about in society. I believe that it is a fear and feeling of insecurity that is the primary psychological phenomenon at work. Police are taught to take control of every situation they encounter. The major thing that has set them apart from others is that, when push comes to shove, they could resort to firearms if need be. Any individual cop could encounter a person who is faster, smarter, stronger, more clever. They have no control over that happening. They want to make sure that the one advantage they have is to reduce the chances of encountering someone who has better or equal weaponry. If that is removed, they have no advantage and no assurance of being able to control every situation. That scares them. Therefore they wish to preserve and protect their ultimate solution.

If, as the saying goes, "Sam Colt made them [men] equal." Then the police do not WANT the people to be equal to them. They fear equality.

A major, if not the major psychological hurdle has been for many police to come to grips with the reality that legally armed citizens are neither their foes nor dangers to them. Nor are legally armed citizens a challenge to the authority assigned to them by the people they are hired to serve. Legally armed citizens are simply people who are a bit more self-sufficient than others.
 

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He is probably law enforcement and wants some power over the average citizen. The fact is we have a right to bear arms, we dont need a license or a permit or have to conceal it. Funny how he is challenging people to go open carry with him and see who gets arrested first, I am sure he will just arrest you. People like this should never be in public service or law enforcement, to violate the law just because they dont agree with the 2nd Amendment is illegal. No wonder they needed to put out a memo to these scumbags to stop violating our rights. Totally un-American and I cannot believe it has gone this far.

Good for you shotgun you are a true patriot, this bunker on the other hand is the opposite. I guess that would probably mean tyrant or a wannabe enforcer of tyranny.
 

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Most people in the anti-gun camp are irrational and illogical for the simple reason that they intentionally go through life ignoring facts. They function on pure emotion, logic escapes them. These people are not just irrational about guns, they are irrational on a wide range of issues. It is a blessing that these irrational people are so very terrified of guns for they are some of the last people we want carrying them.
 

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eleuthera wrote:
If you organize a Madtown OC let me know, I'd love to come
I understand that the Second Amendment Sisters are trying to organize something for later next month at the Capitol.
 

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Glock girl, the mutt and I completed a walk similar to yesterday's today. I wore Glock 23. Perhaps fewer people out and about compared to yesterday, and I didn't notice anything more than a casual glance from any passerby's.
 

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Bunker wrote:
:shock:Let me ask one question of you gunslingers....

How many of you have had anypratical training in defending yourself with a firearm AND defending your weapon from being taken away from you???

Yeah, basic training covered that.
 

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nevinsb wrote:
Bunker wrote:
:shock:Let me ask one question of you gunslingers....

How many of you have had anypratical training in defending yourself with a firearm AND defending your weapon from being taken away from you???

Yeah, basic training covered that.
Let me ask you, mudslinger - have you ever taken basic courses in history, law, or logic? Because you obviously don't thinkanything through,so I don't think it's safe to have you walking around exercising the 1st amendment untrained.
 

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eleuthera wrote:
nevinsb wrote:
Bunker wrote:
:shock:Let me ask one question of you gunslingers....

How many of you have had anypratical training in defending yourself with a firearm AND defending your weapon from being taken away from you???

Yeah, basic training covered that.
Let me ask you, mudslinger - have you ever taken basic courses in history, law, or logic? Because you obviously don't thinkanything through,so I don't think it's safe to have you walking around exercising the 1st amendment untrained.
:lol: That was probably the most concise counter to Bunkie I've seen. Thanks for giving me a chuckle this morning eleuthera!
 

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I would like to attend, unless this is a gathering pushing to trade open carry for CCW.

I am also wondering if rifles are a problem, or would it be sidearms only?
 

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Is that date and time right for the 2A sisters open carry event? Monday June 22?

Thanks,
 

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MJ wrote:
I would like to attend, unless this is a gathering pushing to trade open carry for CCW.

I am also wondering if rifles are a problem, or would it be sidearms only?

I don't believe they are looking to "trade" anything. From my perspective, we only have the option of open carry at this time and Doyle has said he would veto any concealed carry bill, so right now today it is open carry or nothing.

If a concealed carry bill comes forward, it needs to be a clean bill, or it will not get my support, or the support of many here. Right now, we are free to carry almost everywhere in the state. There are the five (Cars, Bars, Government Buildings, State Parks, 1000ft of school property) exceptions but other than that you can carry where you will.

The last bill we saw had something like 20 restrictions, and would have excluded many places where we can carry now. Weneed to eliminate the 1000ft school property restriction, and correct the vehicle carry statute.

When concealed carry comes forward again, it may not get my support. I'm all for repealing Wisconsin's concealed carry prohibition, but not if it adds 20 - 50 restrictions that we currently don't have and not if it "trades" open carry for concealed.
 

hugh jarmis

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Doyle has said he would veto any concealed carry bill, so right now today it is open carry or nothing.
Doyle fought freedom and he lost. He vetoed PPA with a smug look on his face and all those children and cops standing behind him like the demagogue he is. And it was a huge tactical error.

Freedom is on OUR side on this issue. We NOW have the leverage of being ABLE to exercise our rights (with the exception of the unconstitutional exclusions of school zones and vehicle carry)

If CCW comes up for a vote again we should REMIND ourselves that we now have the position of leverage. That RIGHT NOW we can just keep going about our law-abiding business open carrying and THAT just pisses freedom hating liberals and nanny-state politicians off.

We should NEVER support a bill that had all the amendments that previous PPA did. THAT was during a time when we were all so starved for our rights we'd have compromised the pot of gold for a nugget of iron pyrite.

If Doyle was smart, he would have signed that bill when he had the chance. There will still be some who will sell-out their rights for CCW. (especially those who stand to make money on the government-mandated training courses) But we should only support a CCW bill that respects the freedoms we already enjoy.
 

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Don't be so quick to assume that law enforcement opposes Open or Concealed Carry. Many police officers are for anything that evens the odds for average Joe Citizen. Usually the announcements and media quotes against firearms possession are from the "management" in police agencies or gov't. representatives. The average patrolman knows that a law abiding citizen with a gun is not a threat to them.

Many cops, however, cannot (or don't wish to) openly declare their support for gun carry options. They do not want to jeopardize their jobs, tick off their supervisors, or be seen as a "troublemaker". But it doesn't mean they don't support the efforts being taken by others.
 

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Bunker wrote:

:shock:Let me ask one question of you gunslingers....

How many of you have had anypratical training in defending yourself with a firearm AND defending your weapon from being taken away from you???


Well, my handgun has3-4 basic controls. I know there must be a Jedi-Master like class out there to teach me how to properly operate it.... but seeing as how my cell phone and home stereo have about 50 unique functions and I'm ok with that, I think I can handle my firearm.

As far as it being taken away from me, you'd already have been too close for comfort to get that far.

Cheers.
 
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