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Local College campus not legally posted

protias

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I talked with one of my reps recently, and it looks like campus carry is on the horizon.
 

pkbites

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I talked with one of my reps recently, and it looks like campus carry is on the horizon.

I was told that too quite a while ago. And they dropped the issue like a hot potato. Hopefully next time they'll see through to it.

I wonder if it does pass if any of the colleges that don't have actual police will arm their security/public safety officers. I have an acquaintance who works for a college public safety department and they are unarmed.

As crazy as it is to not allow adult students to carry, it's just as crazy to not allow the staff who is in charge of safety not to. They tell students they don't need to be armed because there is a public safety force, and then the public safety force is unarmed? That's like not allowing a fire fighter to have water or an extinguisher.

No armed students, no armed staff, no armed security. Sounds like when a real bad guy shows up (who will be armed, duh) the administration of these schools would prefer everyone to end up dead. WTF is wrong with the way the elitist college types think? It's sick!
 

protias

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I was told that too quite a while ago. And they dropped the issue like a hot potato. Hopefully next time they'll see through to it.

I wonder if it does pass if any of the colleges that don't have actual police will arm their security/public safety officers. I have an acquaintance who works for a college public safety department and they are unarmed.

As crazy as it is to not allow adult students to carry, it's just as crazy to not allow the staff who is in charge of safety not to. They tell students they don't need to be armed because there is a public safety force, and then the public safety force is unarmed? That's like not allowing a fire fighter to have water or an extinguisher.

No armed students, no armed staff, no armed security. Sounds like when a real bad guy shows up (who will be armed, duh) the administration of these schools would prefer everyone to end up dead. WTF is wrong with the way the elitist college types think? It's sick!
"Never call an unarmed 'security' guard a security guard." - Lt Col Dave Grossman

You and I both know that people don't think further than 5 minutes ahead of things, so having armed people on school...."isn't safe for the children." Yup, see, complete left turn there.
 

pkbites

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"Never call an unarmed 'security' guard a security guard." - Lt Col Dave Grossman



The college my acquaintance works at calls theirs "public safety". How on Earth are they supposed to keep the public safe being unarmed?

What's really bewildering is most of the officers are retired cops. So they're trained and such with weapons. I learned all this when I retired from my first LEO career in 2007. He told me it was a good place to work and the pay was decent (the pay is actually better than most police officers make). But when I found out that they only carried batons and OC I decided against it and started a second career with an actual police department.

Thing is, it's not the fault of whomever is in charge of the public safety department of that college. They are at the mercy of that colleges board which is probably full of elitist liberals who think posting some signs on the doors and not allowing their students and staff to carry is going to make everyone safe. It's insanity and the exact opposite of reality.
 

Firearms Iinstuctor

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The real reason is to destroy the idea that firearms are useful wouldn't want those young minds full of mush to think other wise.

They might actually become gun owing conservatives.

The war on are freedoms is never ending.

I also turned down a security job at a state campus when I was first starting out in the LEO field.

I said are you guys nuts acting like real cops and not being armed.

They just kind of gave me a blank look.
 

Snake161

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I was told that too quite a while ago. And they dropped the issue like a hot potato. Hopefully next time they'll see through to it.

I wonder if it does pass if any of the colleges that don't have actual police will arm their security/public safety officers. I have an acquaintance who works for a college public safety department and they are unarmed.

As crazy as it is to not allow adult students to carry, it's just as crazy to not allow the staff who is in charge of safety not to. They tell students they don't need to be armed because there is a public safety force, and then the public safety force is unarmed? That's like not allowing a fire fighter to have water or an extinguisher.

No armed students, no armed staff, no armed security. Sounds like when a real bad guy shows up (who will be armed, duh) the administration of these schools would prefer everyone to end up dead. WTF is wrong with the way the elitist college types think? It's sick!


I had the opportunity to present this topic in an advanced public speaking course I was taking several years ago during my time at UW Oshkosh. There was a current rash of muggings occurring around the campus over the course of a couple years and one was fairly violent against a female student. As a side note, muggings have occurred routinely on campus again since I was there. This time its been by two or three degenerates at a time, but I digress...


I received a C- on the presentation, though not for lack of effort or not following the project rubric. In fact, I consulted with the instructor and she informed me that I was nearly flawless in content presentation, diction and remembering the audience. She did however inform me that she did not like the topic I chose, and that talk of guns in a school of any kind is unacceptable. Therefore I received a low grade based on the instructors rabid political and ideological beliefs, not based off of my performance and presentation of the content. Apparently its a better choice to keep students defenseless, stupid and scared than armed and/or protected by a legally carried firearm.

In other words, the minute a rational approach is advanced to reasonable carry on campus, the anti's immediately shut it down regardless of validity. I am simply glad that I am no longer giving my money to the UW system and hope to never again do so in the future...
 

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I had the opportunity to present this topic in an advanced public speaking course I was taking several years ago during my time at UW Oshkosh. There was a current rash of muggings occurring around the campus over the course of a couple years and one was fairly violent against a female student. As a side note, muggings have occurred routinely on campus again since I was there. This time its been by two or three degenerates at a time, but I digress...


I received a C- on the presentation, though not for lack of effort or not following the project rubric. In fact, I consulted with the instructor and she informed me that I was nearly flawless in content presentation, diction and remembering the audience. She did however inform me that she did not like the topic I chose, and that talk of guns in a school of any kind is unacceptable. Therefore I received a low grade based on the instructors rabid political and ideological beliefs, not based off of my performance and presentation of the content. Apparently its a better choice to keep students defenseless, stupid and scared than armed and/or protected by a legally carried firearm.

In other words, the minute a rational approach is advanced to reasonable carry on campus, the anti's immediately shut it down regardless of validity. I am simply glad that I am no longer giving my money to the UW system and hope to never again do so in the future...
and i presume you never formally challenged the grade with the chair, dean, and up to the provost either so the closet door of the biased instructor could have been opened so everyone could have been shown her lack of professionalism towards the students, as well as the institution of higher education she was academically representing.

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I just had a quick question about carrying firearms on and inside buildings on a college campus here in our great state of Wisconsin. At a local state college campus, I have noticed that they do not have their building legally posted with no firearms signs on every door. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but unless they have every entrance posted, it would be legal to carry there?
Per others posts of the actual state statute, I believe one could carry into any university building that did not have the entrance posted. There are however other things to consider:


1. video surveillance: If they have video of you entering the building multiple times via a posted entrance, then you loose the ability to claim you didn't know.

If I entered the building, through an unposted entrance, they most likely could only ask me to leave. "Refusal" to leave could be considered trespassing.

2. Behavior policy: For a students there are behavioral policies that students agree to when they attend the college. They will claim your exercise of self defense rights violates the policy. Could you sue and win? Maybe. Do you want you college career ruined and not be able to continue going to school? Probably not.

The left wing controlled colleges are becoming less tolerant by the hour.
 

tpos

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Per others posts of the actual state statute, I believe one could carry into any university building that did not have the entrance posted. There are however other things to consider:


1. video surveillance: If they have video of you entering the building multiple times via a posted entrance, then you loose the ability to claim you didn't know.

If I entered the building, through an unposted entrance, they most likely could only ask me to leave. "Refusal" to leave could be considered trespassing.

2. Behavior policy: For a students there are behavioral policies that students agree to when they attend the college. They will claim your exercise of self defense rights violates the policy. Could you sue and win? Maybe. Do you want you college career ruined and not be able to continue going to school? Probably not.

The left wing controlled colleges are becoming less tolerant by the hour.
I agree with everything you said. The only thing that I have mentioned in earlier posts, is that I had never agreed to a behavioral Policy. I applied to college, and that was pretty much it. I did not have to sign or do anything.
 
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