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Lawmakers To Discuss Legalizing Marijuana!!

Guido

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I love the opening "what about the fact". Are you sure it's a fact, or are you simply trusting a source that reinforced your belief? The US is a completely different culture than the few euroweenie countries that allow (or even subsidize) their addicts to use without legal repercussions.


Human nature is Human nature, no matter what country or culture you are from, all humans share some common attributes including the need or want for a substance, be it Liquid, Herbal, or Chemical to help them relax, Granted there are a few who do not use anything or who use other activities in place of a substance, however the premise is the same. Everybody does something to relax and since the dawn of recorded history you can see this in the accounts of any culture from the greatest like Egypt and Rome to the most horrible like the Monguls or the Huns.

To dismiss something of this nature because it didn't happen here in America is just plain short sighted and even a little conceited and does a grave injustice to everybody involved as it shows contempt for the facts and just relies on emotions yet again to argue a point.
 

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hey all you rights lovers . all that needs to be said is . ... where is it against the constitution to own, grow,and use weed for medical or personal .....there it is ......
nuff said....
 

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While I agree with the premise, and I really don't personally care if idiots snort cyanide and remove themselves from the genepool, I can't endorse absolute legalization. Certain drugs don't just kill people eventually. They turn them into dependents. Not only on obtaining more drugs due too addiction, but since they become non-functional oxygen thieves. They will still fall into the welfare class if they didn't start there to begin with. So before we legalize dope, we need to enforce drug testing on the dependency class. The left wing will allow that to happen just as soon as they give up all ambition to turn the world into a soviet "utopia".


So you are willing to punish the majority of users because the minority are irresponsible? That argument sounds familiar.

I am all for eliminating the "welfare state". I am also for eliminating drug prohibition, But arguing over what should happen first seems unproductive to me.

I really doubt that the amount of welfare parasites or addicts will increase very much, I think it will stay pretty close to the same.

Anyone who wants to use drugs does. Have you ever met anyone who's ONLY reason they don't use is because it is illegal?

Go strike up a conversation with a friend's child who is in Junior High, If they are honest they will tell you that it is easier for them to get Meth than it is to get a bottle of whiskey.
 

ABNinfantryman

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Who "stands on their backs"? They're contortionists I suppose, because they refuse to do work millions of illegal from south of the border risk their lives and life savings to acquire. Therefore they're standing on their own backs. Who benefits from them, it's obviously not those infinitesimal political figures who propose to take the bloat pig's tit out of their mouths.

You really think those illegals wouldn't unionize or demand better pay if you took away the fear of deportation? Those illegals are doing work that millions of Americans don't want to do because the conditions are atrocious. Americans DO want to work, they DON'T want to be exploited, illegals don't really have a choice in the matter when they have a proverbial gun to their head.

Anywho, legalize it all.
 

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You really think those illegals wouldn't unionize or demand better pay if you took away the fear of deportation? Those illegals are doing work that millions of Americans don't want to do because the conditions are atrocious. Americans DO want to work, they DON'T want to be exploited, illegals don't really have a choice in the matter when they have a proverbial gun to their head.

Anywho, legalize it all.

Ever watch the show Dirty Jobs? Americans do a lot of atrocious work, pay is the issue.

Oh and I am with you on principle by the way, there really shouldn't be much that is "illegal", I say do away with unconstitutional drug laws and the free government handouts and the only ones "sneaking" in will be folks who want to be Americans and work hard at doing so, these are the exact folks we want in our country.
 

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Oh and I am with you on principle by the way, there really shouldn't be much that is "illegal", I say do away with unconstitutional drug laws and the free government handouts and the only ones "sneaking" in will be folks who want to be Americans and work hard at doing so, these are the exact folks we want in our country.

Yup.
 

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SNIP I can't endorse absolute legalization. Certain drugs don't just kill people eventually. They turn them into dependents. Not only on obtaining more drugs due too addiction...They will still fall into the welfare class if they didn't start there to begin with. So before we legalize dope, we need to enforce drug testing on the dependency class.

The number of "dependent..oxygen thieves" cannot possibly cost us more than the billions spent on the justice system that has bloated itself on the so-called war on drugs.

Nevermind the our dwindling 4th Amendment protections as courts narrow the 4A, almost daily. And, the rise of paramilitary police raids--which have killed almost forty innocent people in mistaken raids and countless innocent pet dogs--(SWAT teams routinely shoot the dog). SWAT-type teams are now often sent on routine warrant service. This is a direct result of the so-called war on drugs.
 
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Sabotage70

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I personally can't think of anything bad that would come around if marijuana was legalized, apart from the paper industry, prison industry, clothing industry, raising a fit because they've held a monopoly on their market niche for so long

If they could make paper out of it, what would Mr. Hearst do with all that forest to supply his newspapers.


http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/
Just a little snip:


Harry J. Anslinger

Anslinger was an extremely ambitious man, and he recognized the Bureau of Narcotics as an amazing career opportunity — a new government agency with the opportunity to define both the problem and the solution. He immediately realized that opiates and cocaine wouldn’t be enough to help build his agency, so he latched on to marijuana and started to work on making it illegal at the federal level.

Anslinger immediately drew upon the themes of racism and violence to draw national attention to the problem he wanted to create. He also promoted and frequently read from “Gore Files” — wild reefer-madness-style exploitation tales of ax murderers on marijuana and sex and… Negroes. Here are some quotes that have been widely attributed to Anslinger and his Gore Files:

“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”

“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

And he loved to pull out his own version of the “assassin” definition:

“In the year 1090, there was founded in Persia the religious and military order of the Assassins, whose history is one of cruelty, barbarity, and murder, and for good reason: the members were confirmed users of hashish, or marihuana, and it is from the Arabs’ ‘hashashin’ that we have the English word ‘assassin.’”


Yellow Journalism

Harry Anslinger got some additional help from William Randolf Hearst, owner of a huge chain of newspapers. Hearst had lots of reasons to help. First, he hated Mexicans. Second, he had invested heavily in the timber industry to support his newspaper chain and didn’t want to see the development of hemp paper in competition. Third, he had lost 800,000 acres of timberland to Pancho Villa, so he hated Mexicans. Fourth, telling lurid lies about Mexicans (and the devil marijuana weed causing violence) sold newspapers, making him rich.

Some samples from the San Francisco Examiner:

“Marihuana makes fiends of boys in thirty days — Hashish goads users to bloodlust.”

“By the tons it is coming into this country — the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms…. Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him….”

And other nationwide columns…

“Users of marijuana become STIMULATED as they inhale the drug and are LIKELY TO DO ANYTHING. Most crimes of violence in this section, especially in country districts are laid to users of that drug.”

“Was it marijuana, the new Mexican drug, that nerved the murderous arm of Clara Phillips when she hammered out her victim’s life in Los Angeles?… THREE-FOURTHS OF THE CRIMES of violence in this country today are committed by DOPE SLAVES — that is a matter of cold record.”

Hearst and Anslinger were then supported by Dupont chemical company and various pharmaceutical companies in the effort to outlaw cannabis. Dupont had patented nylon, and wanted hemp removed as competition. The pharmaceutical companies could neither identify nor standardize cannabis dosages, and besides, with cannabis, folks could grow their own medicine and not have to purchase it from large companies.
 

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Why do you hate freedom?



Edit: But seriously, legalizing drugs, ANY drugs, is of indirect benefit to gun rights.

Follow me here:

Prohibition incentivizes violent behavior (I hope I don't need to spell this out). This leads to our relatively high murder rates, the overwhelming majority of which are perpetrated by gang members on gang members, over drugs, drug money, drug-selling territory, snitching over drugs, or in retaliation for murder committed for one of those reasons. These murder rates fuel the fire of the Brady campaign, both by enabling their rhetoric, and by convincing some Americans to accept their agenda.

Without these murder rates, it would be very easy to point out the statistical rarity of non-gangsters being murdered by guns (even including rampages and massacres).

If we ended prohibition, we'd take the wind out of gun-grabbers sails.

Not to mention that prohibition of drugs has the same inherent problems as the prohibition of guns: it doesn't, can't, ever work; it criminalizes people for nonaggressive acts; and it serves as a perpetual boon to power-grabbing tyrants of every shape and color.

Marshaul for president
 

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I love the opening "what about the fact". Are you sure it's a fact, or are you simply trusting a source that reinforced your belief? The US is a completely different culture than the few euroweenie countries that allow (or even subsidize) their addicts to use without legal repercussions. Like I said, I agree with the premise that taking away the finances of the cartels is tantamount to crushing them, but we still have a problem with dependency. If they can suddenly find no more crack, heroin, meth, PCP or whatever idiots consume, how sure are you these people will suddenly seek productive lives and start to care for themselves let alone the children they inadvertently produced along the way?

As far as I'm concerned, the first movein the legalization strategy is to cut off the free flow of money to the dependency class, meanwhile arming the productive class so they can defend themselves during the inevitable riots that will ensue.


fund treatment for addiction with taxes on the product. this is what belgium does. we fund anti smoking campaigns with taxes from cigarette sales.

legalize it, tax it and spend that money on whatever kind of programs actually work........like maybe ibogaine treatments.
 

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Ever watch the show Dirty Jobs? Americans do a lot of atrocious work, pay is the issue.

I was referring to the treatment of workers and compensation for said treatment, not cleanliness. And yes I've watched the show, I still contend that being a soldier or marine is the dirtiest job you could ever have, especially in a war or disaster zone. I've ruined enough gloves to stock a Walmart from searching dirty Jawas. :D

Oh and I am with you on principle by the way, there really shouldn't be much that is "illegal", I say do away with unconstitutional drug laws and the free government handouts and the only ones "sneaking" in will be folks who want to be Americans and work hard at doing so, these are the exact folks we want in our country.

Generally I found those people to be the ones who actually get across the border, the ones who tend to be lazy and mooch off the system are their children or relatives who were able to gain citizenship through other means. That's just from my experience living in LA. Those same relatives also exploit their own family by allowing the illegals to use their SSN to build up their retirement, those are the dirt bags we need to deport.
 

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Id would be about Fuc**** time if they re-legalised weed. If it really is of the people by the people and so on. Having weed illegal for medical is sick, in and of itself, so is having to ask permission or register to use it. (familiar?) You don't have to register your other prescriptions, or give up your keys, or your inalienable rkBa. There is nothing wrong with smoking and carrying either. For those who compare it to alcohol intoxication, you're being naive.
 

marshaul

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There is nothing wrong with smoking and carrying either. For those who compare it to alcohol intoxication, you're being naive.

I agree.

I am personally close friends with a number of medical marijuana patients in California, some of whom are also gun people.

Not only would I have no problem with them carrying (and smoking a big fat joint while doing so, if they felt like it), I find it reprehensible that some would deny them their essential liberties and medical freedoms on the nebulous and farcical grounds of "intoxication".

Marijuana is only intoxicating for high school twerps whose only goal is to get "****** up" anyway. They're probably exaggerating. I have never seen an experienced adult user become intoxicated from ingesting normal quantities marijuana.

As always, if someone is intoxicated while armed, be it from drinking or smoking massive quantities of marijuana or any other fathomable means, they may be arrested for demonstrating evidence of intoxication. Absent behavioral indicia or evidence, I fail to see how "intoxication" may be claimed.
 
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