KOMO 4 news tonight! 9/30/2010

[swatspyder]

What is the address of the Starbucks? This thread is getting too big to search.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?81351-Starbucks-Spanaway

 

[DEROS72]

This is so important I'm going to take my semi annual shower a moth early! :0)

 

[Leatherneck]

So everyone should carry sterile and pay with cash.

I'll be in Portland or I would be there. I even considered not going, but I have to work.

 

[maclean]

Knowing that those ladies are IDF, any American LEO would be well advised to be very polite to them or else leave them alone.

Don't mess with the British SAS, the Israeli IDF, or the Gurkhas.

Yeah, I've met some sterling examples of all three.

Eh, sterling examples of all three have been met and well regarded, but they have their misfits too.

I think if I saw those girls I'd ask them if they lost their magazines.

 

[k.rollin]

It was really your gun I was looking at. The rest was just "background".

Sorry Tom, if you looked more like this-------

Poor trigger discipline is poor.

 

[amzbrady]

Break it down, It's Hammer time...

“The problem here isn’t that he was carrying the gun,
(Then why even approach him?)
it was that he was uncooperative and made a big deal about it,” Troyer said.
(What cooperate, he was minding his own business. Who approached who?)
“His rights weren’t violated.
(Really, ever heard of the 4th amendment?)
We have the right, as police, to ask questions and to make sure the public’s safe and to make sure baristas are safe.
(yes you have the right to do you job, you respond to people breaking the law)
I mean, Maurice Clemmons walked into a coffee shop carrying guns.”
(Yes he did, they were concealed and he was not there before the police sitting at a table minding his own business, with his firearm in plain site in a holster.)

How is it that normal average law abiding citizens know the law better than LAW ENFORCEMENT officers?

Too bad there isnt any real reporting any longer with some clarification. They could have quoting and clarifying the law that says this state does not require you show ID unless you are being detained or arrested.

 

[SFCRetired]

Break it down, It's Hammer time...

“The problem here isn’t that he was carrying the gun,
(Then why even approach him?)
it was that he was uncooperative and made a big deal about it,” Troyer said.
(What cooperate, he was minding his own business. Who approached who?)
“His rights weren’t violated.
(Really, ever heard of the 4th amendment?)
We have the right, as police, to ask questions and to make sure the public’s safe and to make sure baristas are safe.
(yes you have the right to do you job, you respond to people breaking the law)
I mean, Maurice Clemmons walked into a coffee shop carrying guns.”
(Yes he did, they were concealed and he was not there before the police sitting at a table minding his own business, with his firearm in plain site in a holster.)

How is it that normal average law abiding citizens know the law better than LAW ENFORCEMENT officers?

Because, not all, but some of those sworn to uphold the law fall victim to the mindset of, "I am the law!" and begin to act in a manner that absolutely contrary to their oath. This has been compared to the schoolyard bully and to several other, even less savory, characterizations. Do I understand it? No, I do not.

Don't get me wrong; there are many honest LEOs out there who make an effort to stay abreast of the laws and who are willing to be educated even if it is by a citizen. These, thank goodness, are in the majority.

The citizen, on the other hand, has to know the law concerning firearms if he/she is going to carry, either OC or CC, because of that minority I spoke of above and because of the honest LEO who just does not know but who is willing to learn.

In my opinion, it may be expressed best as, "For every right exercised, there is also a responsibility to be borne." We exercise the right, therefore it is up to us to meet the responsibility that comes with it: knowing the law.

 

[unknownsailor]

Tape the interviews yourselves. Should be standard practice when being interviewed by the media. That way you can post the entire interview if/when they edit their tape to make you look bad/leave out important bits.

 

[Bill Starks]

Tape the interviews yourselves. Should be standard practice when being interviewed by the media. That way you can post the entire interview if/when they edit their tape to make you look bad/leave out important bits.

We have been discussing this very thing.....

 

[j2l3]

Never mind, several people beat me to it....

 

[ShooterMcGavin]

So everyone should carry sterile and pay with cash.

I'll be in Portland or I would be there. I even considered not going, but I have to work.

Sterile? Does that mean, OC without ID?

Trying to decide, OWB or shoulder carry? I really like my shoulder holster, but I think the tactical look scares more people.

 

[TechnoWeenie]

1. Don't park in front of the starbucks, park elsewhere.

2. Officers can run tags very easily, parking in different spots makes it hard for them to see who is going where. Hard to run the tags of EVERY car in the closest 3 parking lots and guessing which ones are open carriers.

3. Don't push out regular business. Leave parking spaces for regular customers, we don't want them mad at us for monopolizing parking.

I have a mental picture of 2-3 officers trying to get 20 people to ID, then watching all 20 head off in different directions to their cars.... Won't give the officers enough time to respond, they'll be able to grab one or two plates, but that's about it.. hehe.

 

[amlevin]

1. Don't park in front of the starbucks, park elsewhere.

2. Officers can run tags very easily, parking in different spots makes it hard for them to see who is going where. Hard to run the tags of EVERY car in the closest 3 parking lots and guessing which ones are open carriers.

3. Don't push out regular business. Leave parking spaces for regular customers, we don't want them mad at us for monopolizing parking.

I have a mental picture of 2-3 officers trying to get 20 people to ID, then watching all 20 head off in different directions to their cars.... Won't give the officers enough time to respond, they'll be able to grab one or two plates, but that's about it.. hehe.

I'd be surprised if there is an officer anywhere in sight. I doubt that they want to be seen on TV in association with this event.

As for tags being run, if your worried about that, just borrow a buddy's car.

As for parking near starbucks, won't your all be buying coffee? Doesn't that make YOU a customer. If so, who would you be running off?

 

[oneeyeross]

If this is the one I'm thinking it is, the parking lot is huge and includes Safeway and a strip mall. There is plenty of open space to park, and plenty of other cars should be there. Won't be an issue either way.