Is this really okay with you?

[Sonora Rebel]

Originally Posted by OC for ME

Technically, Lt Col Baylor "proclaimed" Arizona a Confederate territory on 1 August 1861.

Just to clear the slate. AZ ratified Articles of Secession (drafted in Tucson) in what is now Mesilla, NM. Baylor 'proclaimed' no such thing. If you actually bothered to read... rather than blather: http://www.csawardept.com/documents/secession/AZ/index.html

Technically... you're so far wrong as to be... (fill in the blank).

G'bye OCDO.

 

[Jared]

You assume much... know little. I'm not a retired cop... I was just a cop... a big city street cop 'in the hood' for about 4 years. LEOSA doesn't apply. I'm retired USN... that doesn't apply either. I don't care about Montana. This isn't a Montana law... it's an AZ law. I agree with it. It affects 'me'... not you. I will extend being disarmed as a courtesy. It's still a discretionary act by the LEO. There are times I have no need to be armed. That's one of them. 'Not that big of a deal.

I carry for self defense... nothing else. I carried 'OC' before the internet or OCDO was ever thought of. Before 'OC' was even a term. Before there was any question in doing so. Before the AZ CWP 'permit' experiment of 1994 (in violation of the AzC). It's something I either do or don't at my personal discretion. That's what a 'right' is. I drive a cop magnet hotrod... but they don't stop me... 'cause I'm not an idiot either. No RAS to do so.

If you don't like our law... complain to the AZ Legislature, not me.

Not complaining... just poking holes in your arguement. Montana is relevant because people are people and human behavior (at least in the United States as a 1st world nation) is fairly consistent across the nation.

I don't live in Arizona anymore.... so I'm not complaining to any legislator in Phoenix anymore. I already did back in 2008. I was one of the first people to bring the idea of knife preemption, I even submitted a couple of bill drafts to accompany my complaints... and I'm a life member of AZCDL, so I already paid my dues.

 

[acmariner99]

Personally I think if i were stopped I would ask if the firearm could remain where ever it is for the sake of EVERYONE's safety. -- With the understanding that with the law as it is, the officer can take it for the duration of the stop at his discretion. I'd rather they didn't take it without cause, but that is just my opinion.

 

[HILLBILLYDELUXE]

In answer to your question Yes.

If you feel that it is a law that will not hold up to Constitutional muster please drive down here, commit some traffic offense, inform the officer that you find 13-3102 K is un-Constitutional and that you refuse to comply with it.

Once you have been arrested and found guilty you can appeal it it to the US Supreme court. You may wish to setup a Pay Pal account for you legal defense fund in advance.

After that you could take on that whole Post office thing, if they are still around.

Thats the funny thing, during my incident with pima county, I think they figured it out, didn't want any part of testing the law, and sent me on my way.

Admittedly, I wasn't aware of "may take custody" I was operating under "secure the firearm" that was in the press releases while the law was under consideration. I read the paper, not the law, oops.

I don't think it would get to SCOTUS, I think a local judge would toss any charges pretty quickly.

Getting cuffed wasn't as bad as I thought. When you are in the right, it's kinda empowering.
That said, I'll handle it about the same next time.