I just saw this. 3 box a day ammo limit

[jbone]

I drove all over the friggin' north end yesterday, from Kesselrings to Cabelas. Cabaelas had TONS of 7.62x39, NO .223 or .22, Kesselrings was the first place I've seen in a while that had any significant amount of .223 or bulk .22. Picked up 100 rounds of the former & 1000 of the latter, wish I had the budget for more. Feller said they happened to find it going thru the warehouse. Probably won't last. Overheard a WSP officer wanting to get on "the list" for an AR. That's bad when the cops can't even get them. But they did have a $50,000 45-70 Gatling gun on display

Happened to stop in the hardware store in downdown Arlington yesterday, they had a fair emount. Was shock to see ..22 LR, .38, .357, 9mm, .45 on the shelf.

 

[amlevin]

Whats wrong with shooting steel in the AR?
Thought the new Poly coating is safe compared to the lacquer stuff.

Actually, there's nothing wrong. Just keep it clean (something some people don't bother with) and you won't have any issues. I see hundreds of pounds of it left behind at the range. It may be "steel cased" but the steel isn't much harder than the brass cases themselves. Reloaders don't use much steel due to the elastic differences. Much harder to resize for second, third, or more, reloadings.

If you have an AR, and you can only find Steel cased ammo, use it if you want to shoot. Just clean and lube regularly----------like you should be doing anyway.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Actually, there's nothing wrong. Just keep it clean (something some people don't bother with) and you won't have any issues. I see hundreds of pounds of it left behind at the range. It may be "steel cased" but the steel isn't much harder than the brass cases themselves. Reloaders don't use much steel due to the elastic differences. Much harder to resize for second, third, or more, reloadings.

If you have an AR, and you can only find Steel cased ammo, use it if you want to shoot. Just clean and lube regularly----------like you should be doing anyway.

I have never tried to reload, as I understand they will break the depriming pin. I never tried aluminum cases either, actually heard they are dangerous to reload. Any case I would imagine steel would be awful hard on the dies.

 

[Freedom1Man]

I have never tried to reload, as I understand they will break the depriming pin. I never tried aluminum cases either, actually heard they are dangerous to reload. Any case I would imagine steel would be awful hard on the dies.

Try carbide dies. It's an idea.

I have not even looked into reloading steel, if you fire steel and want to try reloading make sure they are not Berdan primed, if they are you need to get a special depriming tool.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Try carbide dies. It's an idea.

I have not even looked into reloading steel, if you fire steel and want to try reloading make sure they are not Berdan primed, if they are you need to get a special depriming tool.

Not worth it for me, 9X19 range brass is still cheap, and can be cut down to 9X18. But as long as Wolf ammo stays at $11 a box I won't bother. I believe most dies are carbide, but I still would run a steel case through them. Just guessing but at the lower pressures of handgun ammo that they probably do not need to be resized. Just a new primer pressed in. Next time I shoot my PA-63 I'll look to see if they are boxer primed.

 

[Freedom1Man]

Not worth it for me, 9X19 range brass is still cheap, and can be cut down to 9X18. But as long as Wolf ammo stays at $11 a box I won't bother. I believe most dies are carbide, but I still would run a steel case through them. Just guessing but at the lower pressures of handgun ammo that they probably do not need to be resized. Just a new primer pressed in. Next time I shoot my PA-63 I'll look to see if they are boxer primed.

Most are not carbide. Most are steel. Carbide dies cost EXTRA, I did find videos showing that it is save to reload steel cases and how to retrofit Berdan primer pockets to get Boxer primers to fit.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Most are not carbide. Most are steel. Carbide dies cost EXTRA, I did find videos showing that it is save to reload steel cases and how to retrofit Berdan primer pockets to get Boxer primers to fit.

All my dies are Lee, and the sizing dies are carbide, and they are reasonable. Most of my equipment is Lee as it is reasonable. I believe the Berdan primer pockets have to swagged and drilled to change them to boxer. I don't know how well that would work with steel. I wouldn't bother with it for 9X18, unless brass got really hard to find. I probably will buy about 500 9mm range brass in case I ever decide to reload 9X18.

I have thought about reloading berdan primed 7.62X54 though. It seems a shame to let all that once fired brass lay on the ground. I probably could make a dual pin decapper.

 

[Freedom1Man]

All my dies are Lee, and the sizing dies are carbide, and they are reasonable. Most of my equipment is Lee as it is reasonable. I believe the Berdan primer pockets have to swagged and drilled to change them to boxer. I don't know how well that would work with steel. I wouldn't bother with it for 9X18, unless brass got really hard to find. I probably will buy about 500 9mm range brass in case I ever decide to reload 9X18.

I have thought about reloading berdan primed 7.62X54 though. It seems a shame to let all that once fired brass lay on the ground. I probably could make a dual pin decapper.

RCBS makes a primer remover for Berdan.

If I can find the case conversion book there is another case that will fire form into 7.62x54R.

EDIT----
The only Carbide Lee dies I could find were for handgun cases.

 

[amlevin]

Carbide is used in pistol dies to eliminate the need for lube on the cases. Rifle cases, even if one uses one of the few carbide dies made for them, still have to use a suitable lube.

Carbide is used in rifle case dies (sizing die only) to eliminate wear on the die for those who load thousands of rounds per day.

Again, steel used in rifle/pistol cases is far softer than the dies themselves. Not only are loading dies made from a tool grade steel, they are also tempered.

The big issue is that steel has a different "spring-back" rate than brass therefore is much harder to work with. It can be done, the question is "is it worth the effort". I guess that would depend on whether or not brass cases are available.

Almost forgot. Another downside of reloading steel is that any coating will probably be compromised in the sizing step and then they'll be subject to rust.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Carbide is used in pistol dies to eliminate the need for lube on the cases. Rifle cases, even if one uses one of the few carbide dies made for them, still have to use a suitable lube.

Carbide is used in rifle case dies (sizing die only) to eliminate wear on the die for those who load thousands of rounds per day.

Again, steel used in rifle/pistol cases is far softer than the dies themselves. Not only are loading dies made from a tool grade steel, they are also tempered.

The big issue is that steel has a different "spring-back" rate than brass therefore is much harder to work with. It can be done, the question is "is it worth the effort". I guess that would depend on whether or not brass cases are available.

Almost forgot. Another downside of reloading steel is that any coating will probably be compromised in the sizing step and then they'll be subject to rust.

Pretty much for me it is not worth the trouble. Range brass is still available for the cases I load, and in time once fired and new brass will be available again, but more expensive than before. Something we all have to live with, higher prices. Sorta the same thing with fuel prices, when they go up they will go down, but never all the way down.

 

[adam3176]

http://www.slickguns.com/product/walmart-now-limiting-ammo-3-boxes-day-customer-1

*sigh*

I Told people they were going to do this in NOV of 2011. I knew about it much earlyer but didn't Grab my attention Untill imore things clicked. So then i told people to get ammo and guns now. This was 2011 and they Laugh and got thumbs down.. NOW in 2013 people are rethinking what they think they know