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Gun Buyback, no money, sorry!

Jizzzle

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wait if it's a guy buy back of illegally purchased weapons.. arn't they illegally purchasing weapons? who's doing thier backround checks et et et. how do i know my gun won't be used in a crime?
 

Gator5713

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Most of the weapons that I have heard about being turned in were legally purchased (a lady turning in her dead fathers guns?)...
If they are only buying back 'illegally purchased/obtained firearms' then HK's capitalistic plan wont work...
Either way, I would like to know their definition of 'illegal firearm'.
 

Hawkflyer

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Gator5713 wrote:
Either way, I would like to know their definition of 'illegal firearm'.

Me too. But it appears that these are weapons that MAY have been legally owned under whatever restrictions (registrations, permits, ect) may prevail, that have now become illegal through some change is status.

For instance the woman turning in her fathers guns. He may have had them registered, and may have had permits to carry them. But when he died the registrations and permits did not transfer to his heirs. So under NY law those guns are now illegal to posses.

It has to be something like that, because firearms are not inherently illegal objects in and of them selves. Even short shotguns and other such interesting items aer legit if you pay the tax .

Regards
 

Sheriff

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Hawkflyer wrote:
Even short shotguns and other such interesting items aer legit if you pay the tax .
I have never understood the logic behind this. Back during the Assault Weapon Ban, a man couldn't buy an AR15. But he could pay the tax stamp and purchase a full auto M16.

Some will say it was because the Class III applicant had to undergo a background check and registration. So what? There's drug kingpins and other assorted criminals everywhere that have never been charged, arrested or convicted of a crime that could pass the background checks on Class III weapons.

Once purchased, these Class III weapons could end up anywhere. BATF has never checked the status or location of any Class III weapon issued to me. Never! This is one of the reasons as a FFL holder, I never wanted a Class III endorsement.
 

Kevin Jensen

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Sheriff wrote:
I have never understood the logic behind this. Back during the Assault Weapon Ban, a man couldn't buy an AR15. But he could pay the tax stamp and purchase a full auto M16.
:question::question: Now I am confused...

I bought a Bushmaster XM-15 ES2 in 1999, legally from a dealer,right in the middle of the assualt weapons ban. It came with a 10 round magazine, no bayonet lug, and the muzzle brake was not threaded on, but pinned on so it could not be removed.

I thought the ban only made these trivial items unlawful, not the whole rifle.
 

marshaul

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AWDstylez wrote:
marshaul wrote:
Um, isn't the point of the buyback to get illegal guns off the streets? I guess the money is better spent paying AWDstylez to buy Nagants to have destroyed. :quirky
You wanted a free market; you got it.
I'll assume that was supposed to be a joke, but it reads as a non sequitur not in the comedic sense, but rather in the logical sense.
 

marshaul

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SGT Jensen wrote:
Sheriff wrote:
I have never understood the logic behind this.  Back during the Assault Weapon Ban, a man couldn't buy an AR15.  But he could pay the tax stamp and purchase a full auto M16.
:question::question:  Now I am confused...

I bought a Bushmaster XM-15 ES2 in 1999, legally from a dealer, right in the middle of the assualt weapons ban.  It came with a 10 round magazine, no bayonet lug, and the muzzle brake was not threaded on, but pinned on so it could not be removed.

I thought the ban only made these trivial items unlawful, not the whole rifle.
You're correct, but that's not what Sheriff was referring to.

The legal reality Sheriff was referring to still exists in California, where one of our odious gun laws is an AWB which virtually mirrors the defunct federal legislation.

In short, the proscription of certain features only applied to semi-automatic weapons. Once a fully automatic receiver has been lawfully procured, it may possess features otherwise proscribed to semi-automatic "assault weapons" since the AWB doesn't apply. (This remains true in California, which doesn't have a prohibition of automatic weapons.)

Incidentally, while a common rhetorical recourse is the factually accurate assertion that "Assault Weapon" as used is a misnomer, many of the folks who most frequently rely on this resort are unable to properly articulate its reasoning. An "Assault Rifle", properly defined in the military sense, is a select-fire, intermediate-caliber, medium-framed rifle. The legislative jargon "Assault Weapon", on the other hand, while clearly intending to invoke a fear-eliciting connection to ever-so-deadly military weapons, factually applies only to semi-automatic weapons -- which are certainly "weapons" and "rifles", but definitionally not "assault" anything -- thus rendering the term inherently self-contradictory and concomitantly invalid.
 

Sheriff

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SGT Jensen wrote:

:question::question: Now I am confused...

I bought a Bushmaster XM-15 ES2 in 1999, legally from a dealer,right in the middle of the assualt weapons ban. It came with a 10 round magazine, no bayonet lug, and the muzzle brake was not threaded on, but pinned on so it could not be removed.

I thought the ban only made these trivial items unlawful, not the whole rifle.

The Assault Weapons Ban,a subtitle of theViolent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994,onlyoutlawed certain types of so called "military-style assault weapons", and according to BATF interpretations the Bushmaster Xm-15 wasn't on the list. Theban was actually considered weak since it only outlawed only certain models of assault rifles. And because it grandfathered in what citizens already had in their posession.

Read that last sentence. Scary, eh? Wonder if the now pending bill of 2008 will grandfather anything?
 
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