If you are OC'ing in your automobile and a cop asks to see your Conceal Carry card and you say you don't have one can he inspect your firearm to make sure it's not loaded?
I got pulled over for speeding by State Patrol. They know we have a CPL when they run your plates. The first question he had was "do you have a gun?". Yes, OK don't touch it. Still got a frikin ticket!! Unlikely to ask to see your CPL, since they already know you have one.
Having a loaded gun in any vehicle requires you have a CPL However since t's unloaded I believe he would need to have RAS to believe it's loaded before he could check it.
When they run your plates or driver's license?
Having a loaded gun in any vehicle requires you have a CPL However since t's unloaded I believe he would need to have RAS to believe it's loaded before he could check it.
An unloaded gun makes a very poor club. People carry for self-defense -- it's reasonable to believe they are carrying it in a manner that it would not be useless.
When they run your plates or driver's license?
I listen to the B'ham scanner quite a bit and I hear them call in vehicles. Yes, I have heard the despatch tell the LEO the "owner" has a CPL. Now, it may not be the reg owner driving. I have been with my Sweet Baboo when she got a speeding ticket. She was concealed, I was OC, and the LEO did not even ask.
On the OPs query....If you are "breaking" the law by carrying concealed without a permit (CPL), why would you NOT be arrested/ticketed? Being in/on a vehicle requires a CPL, you can see it in the RCW.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050
9.41.050
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
There you go.
When they run your plates or driver's license?
An unloaded gun makes a very poor club. People carry for self-defense -- it's reasonable to believe they are carrying it in a manner that it would not be useless.
Never said it was unloaded...more or less does he have the power to ensure it's unloaded...
How could he possibly know who was driving the vehicle just from the license plates? That's amazing....
I would say your BOTH correct. Based on information I have for Dispatch in MT and my understanding of Dispatch in WA.
a) Dispatch receives the plates back from the officer and during that check it can also have CPL information for any RO to the vehicle.
b) Its not guaranteed that the person driving is an RO, so it should not be assumed that the information returned for the RO is the person driving. However, most of the time it likely is.
An unloaded gun makes a very poor club. People carry for self-defense -- it's reasonable to believe they are carrying it in a manner that it would not be useless.
How long has that been going on?
Redmond didn't believe that I had one after they decided to felony stop me one morning. Then wrote a ticket for an unsafe lane change when I had never changed lanes in the first place.