Getting a 12-Gauge for open-carry

[USN_MA1]

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I would go for the tactical with either a M4 style stock and pistol grip or full stock with the pistol grip. With those choices, that would be me.

 

[UTOC-45-44]

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Mainsail wrote:

If you're going to OC a shotgun:

I wouldn't suggest you shoot too many 3" magnums.

Where would you get this from ??? Pm me the Site, Please

 

[DoubleR]

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Here's the link for the Super-Shorty. Nice Stuff.
Remember this guy and his gun?

 

[unrequited]

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DoubleR wrote:

Here's the link for the Super-Shorty. Nice Stuff.

"Because of this, the SUPER-SHORTY is considered an AOW (Any Other Weapon)"
: ( Not OC/CC able at all.

 

[longwatch]

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unrequited wrote:

DoubleR wrote:

Here's the link for the Super-Shorty. Nice Stuff.

"Because of this, the SUPER-SHORTY is considered an AOW (Any Other Weapon)"
: ( Not OC/CC able at all.

Definitely not covered by a Virginia CHP. However the Sawed-Off Shotgun and Sawed-Off Rifle Act doesn't have the same language as the Uniform Machine Gun act. Specifically:
§ 18.2-300. Possession or use of "sawed-off" shotgun or rifle.
A. Possession or use of a "sawed-off" shotgun or "sawed-off" rifle in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of a crime of violence is a Class 2 felony.
B. Possession or use of a "sawed-off" shotgun or "sawed-off" rifle for any other purpose, except as permitted by this article and official use by those persons permitted possession by § 18.2-303, is a Class 4 felony.

§ 18.2-303.1. What article does not prohibit.
Nothing contained in this article shall prohibit or interfere with the possession of a "sawed-off" shotgun or "sawed-off" rifle for scientific purposes, the possession of a "sawed-off" shotgun or "sawed-off" rifle possessed in compliance with federal law or the possession of a "sawed-off" shotgun or "sawed-off" rifle not usable as a firing weapon and possessed as a curiosity, ornament, or keepsake.
§ 18.2-290. Use of machine gun for aggressive purpose.
Unlawful possession or use of a machine gun for an offensive or aggressive purpose is hereby declared to be a Class 4 felony.
§ 18.2-291. What constitutes aggressive purpose.
Possession or use of a machine gun shall be presumed to be for an offensive or aggressive purpose:
(1) When the machine gun is on premises not owned or rented for bona fide permanent residence or business occupancy by the person in whose possession the machine gun may be found;
(2) When the machine gun is in the possession of, or used by, a person who has been convicted of a crime of violence in any court of record, state or federal, of the United States of America, its territories or insular possessions;
(3) When the machine gun has not been registered as required in § 18.2-295; or
(4) When empty or loaded shells which have been or are susceptible of use in the machine gun are found in the immediate vicinity thereof.

§ 18.2-292. Presence prima facie evidence of use.
The presence of a machine gun in any room, boat or vehicle shall be prima facie evidence of the possession or use of the machine gun by each person occupying the room, boat, or vehicle where the weapon is found.

I think there may be no law prohibiting a lawful posseser from OCing a shortbarreled shotgun in Va, maybe :?

 

[DreQo]

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Well thanks guys for completely hijacking this thread. I don't know how many different ways I can say I don't give a crap about the Serbu Shorty...lemme try one more time..

It's too expensive (twice as much for half a gun?)

It's useless for what I described (a happy medium between home defense and sport)

I DON'T WANT ONE. :banghead::banghead:

Now can someone PLEASE tell me something about the Mossberg 930 Autoloaders?

 

[DoubleR]

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Sorry, DreQo. It was late at night..:what:
Mossberg makes a solid autoloader and a gerat Pump action. For hunting I like an autoloader. For general boom-boom I prefer a pump action. The Mossberg 930 autoloader would be your best bet, based on what it sounds you are looking for. Consider a pistol grip for it (just for fun and P/D) and a magazine extension. You had said that you've shot with a P-Grip and had no problem. I have a Remington 870 with the folding stock, mag extension and pistol grip and I really like it. Lotza fun. Again, sorry for the Hijacked thread.

 

[DreQo]

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DoubleR wrote:

Sorry, DreQo. It was late at night..:what:
Mossberg makes a solid autoloader and a gerat Pump action. For hunting I like an autoloader. For general boom-boom I prefer a pump action. The Mossberg 930 autoloader would be your best bet, based on what it sounds you are looking for. Consider a pistol grip for it (just for fun and P/D) and a magazine extension. You had said that you've shot with a P-Grip and had no problem. I have a Remington 870 with the folding stock, mag extension and pistol grip and I really like it. Lotza fun. Again, sorry for the Hijacked thread.

Apology accepted

So from what you've just said, it'd be reasonable to assume that pistol grips and mag extentions ARE available for the 930's? I had searched a little bit and didn't come up with anything.

 

[DoubleR]

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Darned if I can find any, anywhere. I'm thinking that it may be too new for too many accessories. The Mossberg site with the 930 Specs has no reference to the pistol grips, but it does come in a 7+1 configuration. I expect that someone, like Pachmayr would come out with grips at some point in the near future.

 

[DreQo]

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I spoke with a gentleman from ATI about accessories for the 930's. He said that, because the semi-auto action involves a pistol that travels INTO the butt stock, they don't make and is sure that no one else makes aftermarket stocks for it. Will they be made in the future? Probably, but it wont be a "cruiser" style grip..it would have to have a buttstock along with the pistol grip. They might be able to do the M16 style collapsible stock, as well.

I also asked about the mag extension, and he said basically the same thing. The end of the short tube isn't a standard end, so none of the normal extensions work. He did think though that, with the right contacts, you could get one of the "Security" series with the extended tube straight from the factory.

After that conversation was over, he pointed me to the semi-auto Remington 11-87P, for which they have PLENTY of accessories for. Problem there is, they run for $900 on average.

I think my next step will be to contact Mossberg and find out about getting the longer tube on the security model.

 

[DoubleR]

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The Tactical Model is the Item # 85360. Yeah, I understand the spring/piston in the butt-stock makes sense for the recoil reduction. Well, best of luck to you. Check out the spec page in my previous post, that's where I found the item number.
A couple of Photos of my Remington 870...

 

[doug23838]

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DreQo wrote:

SNIP...
EDIT: I forgot to mention I'm simply looking for a reliable 12-gauge, preferably with an 18 in barrel. I don't need bells and whistles. The only "options" I'd want are possibly an available pistol grip/collapsible stock, and the ability to attach a surefire. If I could afford a benelli M4, I'd have one...but I can't, lol.

A few things come to mind here.

• Mossberg preferred over 870. Only for the reasons of simplicity of function, location of safety, availability of cheap parts. (That said, once you buy the M-berg go buy a metal safety button and change out the plastic one.)
• Get rid of the pistol grip. The pistol grip on the Mossberg interferes with the natural manipulation of the release button.
• I chose the Mossberg 590 with ghost ring sights. Add a 6 shell side-saddle, and skip the Mossberg with the "speed feed" stock.
• Now learn to use it. Go here: http://www.blackwaterusa.com/images/pdf/Basic%20(3%20day)%20Shotgun.pdf and take the class. I know.. you think you know how to shoot a shotgun. So did I. I took the class and learned more than you can imagine. I also learned that its all about gun manipulation. Guys with pumps were outshooting guys with autoloaders. Especially when it comes to ammo changes.
• While in class, use other student's guns. Try their slings, see what you like. I've got a 1 point sling on my M-berg 590. The single point sling drops the gun naturally right in front of you and allows quick transition to a handgun. On the other hand, a traditional 2 point sling allows for the "African carry" method which permits the gun to be rapidly deployed while appearing low threat.
• Now get a light for the shotgun.

I would have to say that the M-berg 590 or any shotguns of this class are really working tools. They aren't field guns, and I think you'll be disappointed if you try to make a field gun out of a tactical shotgun. Pick the tool for the job. That means 2 shotguns. 1 field gun. 1 fighting gun. Each becomes emergency parts for the other.

If I could have ONE thing different on the Mossberg, it would be a magazine cut-off button. If M-berg could engineer in a way to allow me to fully work the action without causing a shell to feed from the magazine tube, I'd buy one in a second.

Good luck with your decision.

 

[Andrewsky]

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What? You mean like this?

 

[unrequited]

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Andrewsky wrote:

What?  You mean like this?

*boing*!

 

[UTOC-45-44]

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longwatch wrote:

unrequited wrote:

DoubleR wrote:

Here's the link for the Super-Shorty. Nice Stuff.

"Because of this, the SUPER-SHORTY is considered an AOW (Any Other Weapon)"
: ( Not OC/CC able at all.

Definitely not covered by a Virginia CHP. However the Sawed-Off Shotgun and Sawed-Off Rifle Act doesn't have the same language as the Uniform Machine Gun act. Specifically:
§ 18.2-300. Possession or use of "sawed-off" shotgun or rifle.
A. Possession or use of a "sawed-off" shotgun or "sawed-off" rifle in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of a crime of violence is a Class 2 felony.
B. Possession or use of a "sawed-off" shotgun or "sawed-off" rifle for any other purpose, except as permitted by this article and official use by those persons permitted possession by § 18.2-303, is a Class 4 felony.

§ 18.2-303.1. What article does not prohibit.
Nothing contained in this article shall prohibit or interfere with the possession of a "sawed-off" shotgun or "sawed-off" rifle for scientific purposes, the possession of a "sawed-off" shotgun or "sawed-off" rifle possessed in compliance with federal law or the possession of a "sawed-off" shotgun or "sawed-off" rifle not usable as a firing weapon and possessed as a curiosity, ornament, or keepsake.
§ 18.2-290. Use of machine gun for aggressive purpose.
Unlawful possession or use of a machine gun for an offensive or aggressive purpose is hereby declared to be a Class 4 felony.
§ 18.2-291. What constitutes aggressive purpose.
Possession or use of a machine gun shall be presumed to be for an offensive or aggressive purpose:
(1) When the machine gun is on premises not owned or rented for bona fide permanent residence or business occupancy by the person in whose possession the machine gun may be found;
(2) When the machine gun is in the possession of, or used by, a person who has been convicted of a crime of violence in any court of record, state or federal, of the United States of America, its territories or insular possessions;
(3) When the machine gun has not been registered as required in § 18.2-295; or
(4) When empty or loaded shells which have been or are susceptible of use in the machine gun are found in the immediate vicinity thereof.

§ 18.2-292. Presence prima facie evidence of use.
The presence of a machine gun in any room, boat or vehicle shall be prima facie evidence of the possession or use of the machine gun by each person occupying the room, boat, or vehicle where the weapon is found.

I think there may be no law prohibiting a lawful posseser from OCing a shortbarreled shotgun in Va, maybe :?

I think that I am able to carry it here in Utah CC / OC, still looking at the current laws and definitions ie.

Utah Code Section 76-10-501




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Utah Code Section 76-10-505




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[size=-1]76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.
(1) Unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm:
(a) in or on a vehicle;
(b) on any public street; or
(c) in a posted prohibited area.
(2) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor.




I'm "otherwise authorized by law," as a CFP holder ( Concealed Firearm Permit )

Looking at the Order Form RIGHT now:lol:...and now:lol:...and NOW:monkey
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