Gas station employee halts knife-wielding man, WKYT, Lexington, Ky. 08/04/13

[neuroblades]

An employee of a Marathon gas station in Lexington, Ky. confronted a man who was urinating on the outside of the building. The public urinator responded to the employee with racial slurs, drew a knife and moved towards the employee. The employee, and Right-to-Carry permit holder, countered by drawing a pistol and firing a shot. Startled by the shot, the criminal inadvertently stabbed himself with his own knife, requiring medical attention at a nearby hospital.

Police told a local media outlet that they will not charge the employee. (WKYT, Lexington, Ky. 08/04/13)

 

[neuroblades]

I had never heard about this till I read about it on the NRA-ILA site. Anyone have more details?

 

[davidmcbeth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG6b7KJ1Ah0
Seinfeld- Parking Garage


Maybe he was in mortal danger !

 

[neuroblades]

Really? That was completely and totally asinine!

 

[Grapeshot]

I had never heard about this till I read about it on the NRA-ILA site. Anyone have more details?

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/...tation-near-downtown-Lexington-218247701.html

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/08/03/2749013/man-confronted-while-urinating.html

 

[flb_78]

They should have arrested the employee for reckless discharge.

Warning shots into the air are a bad idea, especially in a populated area.

 

[Grapeshot]

They should have arrested the employee for reckless discharge.

Warning shots into the air are a bad idea, especially in a populated area.

Granted that firing in the air is not a safe practice, but I do so hate to see people arrested/prosecuted for the harm that they might have, could have caused.

My guess is that he will be "punished" by his employer with the loss of his job.

 

[neuroblades]

Granted that firing in the air is not a safe practice, but I do so hate to see people arrested/prosecuted for the harm that they might have, could have caused.

My guess is that he will be "punished" by his employer with the loss of his job.

Unfortunately, chances are you're correct Grapeshot! Have to wait and see how it all ends up.

 

[LEX_XDM40compact]

Granted that firing in the air is not a safe practice, but I do so hate to see people arrested/prosecuted for the harm that they might have, could have caused.

My guess is that he will be "punished" by his employer with the loss of his job.

Eh imo the rare chance the "fire in the air" could have caused serious damage to someone is worth the odds versus some guy charging me with a knife?

Or rather have shot the threat in a non lethal place, after all the main clearly was threaten and in danger and had every right to do so?

 

[Grapeshot]

Eh imo the rare chance the "fire in the air" could have caused serious damage to someone is worth the odds versus some guy charging me with a knife?

Or rather have shot the threat in a non lethal place, after all the main clearly was threaten and in danger and had every right to do so?

IMO - that is irresponsible and not the way we conduct ourselves. Explain your thinking
to the father of this 7 yo boy.
http://www.abc27.com/story/22766886...ter-he-was-shot-at-fourth-of-july-celebration

Absurd. Have you ever tried to stop a moving target that can cover 21 ft in 1 1/2 sec? You are showing your naivety.

Every fired bullet has a destination - you either control it or you do not. The degree to which you control the shot will depend on the circumstances and your training.

Move and shoot to STOP - no warning shots - know your backstop - shoot to STOP as a last resort.

Note: In the time it took you to read this, that 1 1/2 sec. window has expired :exclaim:

 

[dtabb]

Huh?

The employee, and Right-to-Carry permit holder

What is a Right-To-Carry permit in Kentucky?

 

[Grapeshot]

What is a Right-To-Carry permit in Kentucky?

The professional media's primary claim to professionalism is that they still get paid for making mistakes.

 

[CCinMaine]

IMO - that is irresponsible and not the way we conduct ourselves. Explain your thinking
to the father of this 7 yo boy.
http://www.abc27.com/story/22766886...ter-he-was-shot-at-fourth-of-july-celebration

Absurd. Have you ever tried to stop a moving target that can cover 21 ft in 1 1/2 sec? You are showing your naivety.

Every fired bullet has a destination - you either control it or you do not. The degree to which you control the shot will depend on the circumstances and your training.

Move and shoot to STOP - no warning shots - know your backstop - shoot to STOP as a last resort.

Note: In the time it took you to read this, that 1 1/2 sec. window has expired :exclaim:

Well said Grape. I agree completely. You are always 100% responsible for every single round you fire. As for shooting to wound, if you have the time to aim at a non vital part of their body then I'd say odds are you aren't justified to shoot in the first place. Not to mention if you aim only to wound then you are almost admitting to not feeling justified to use lethal force. That being said, discharge of a firearm at a person is considered lethal force even if they aren't fatally wounded or even hit at all.
IMHO anyways.

 

[ps1mhd]

Cited for wanton endangerment and released :banghead:
Ok who thinks he'll show up for court?





Mike

 

[LEX_XDM40compact]

IMO - that is irresponsible and not the way we conduct ourselves. Explain your thinking
to the father of this 7 yo boy.
http://www.abc27.com/story/22766886...ter-he-was-shot-at-fourth-of-july-celebration

Absurd. Have you ever tried to stop a moving target that can cover 21 ft in 1 1/2 sec? You are showing your naivety.

Every fired bullet has a destination - you either control it or you do not. The degree to which you control the shot will depend on the circumstances and your training.

Move and shoot to STOP - no warning shots - know your backstop - shoot to STOP as a last resort.

Note: In the time it took you to read this, that 1 1/2 sec. window has expired :exclaim:

I was aware of this happening, However my post i made @ 3am seemed to be poorly written and not properly worded, No i would NEVER randomly fire in the air as a warning shot or any shot for that matter into the air... That was not my intention of my post to make it seem that way..

However "have i ever tried to stop a moving target that can cover 21 ft in 1/2 sec?" if you are implying to someone running at me with a knife then yes. I have ran drills that would cover this. Which as my statement mentioned I would have SHOT the man once he approached me (my danger zone) with the knife to stop the threat., ( as mentioned in the news post the guy was approaching him with a knife)(if you are implying something else; yes i can say i have fired my trusty 7mm @ a deer while 'running' and was on target lol)

"Move and shoot to STOP - no warning shots - know your backstop - shoot to STOP as a last resort."

100% agree. in the split second I would have to decided a last resort, If i was seriously threatened by someone charging me with a knife in which i could NOT get away some how aka run, jump in a car etc...and I was carrying ( as I am certain i would be) I WOULD shoot to STOP the threat, be it lethal or non lethal. I can only hope someone else would do the same in a life threatening situation.

 

[Grapeshot]

I was aware of this happening, However my post i made @ 3am seemed to be poorly written and not properly worded, No i would NEVER randomly fire in the air as a warning shot or any shot for that matter into the air... That was not my intention of my post to make it seem that way..

However "have i ever tried to stop a moving target that can cover 21 ft in 1/2 sec?" if you are implying to someone running at me with a knife then yes. I have ran drills that would cover this. Which as my statement mentioned I would have SHOT the man once he approached me (my danger zone) with the knife to stop the threat., ( as mentioned in the news post the guy was approaching him with a knife)(if you are implying something else; yes i can say i have fired my trusty 7mm @ a deer while 'running' and was on target lol)

"Move and shoot to STOP - no warning shots - know your backstop - shoot to STOP as a last resort."

100% agree. in the split second I would have to decided a last resort, If i was seriously threatened by someone charging me with a knife in which i could NOT get away some how aka run, jump in a car etc...and I was carrying ( as I am certain i would be) I WOULD shoot to STOP the threat, be it lethal or non lethal. I can only hope someone else would do the same in a life threatening situation.

Appreciate the clarification very much and apologize if my words lacked consideration. I have made more than my fair share of poorly chosen words, especially during late night sessions.

The 21' rule (does it have a name?) introduces one of the most difficult to master combination of conditions: high stress, very limited time, and a host of others that will degrade the best training all to frequently. Would pray that none of us are put in that position. Again, thank you for your response, sir.

 

[dtabb]

Mythbusters Did This

IMO - that is irresponsible and not the way we conduct ourselves. Explain your thinking
to the father of this 7 yo boy.
http://www.abc27.com/story/22766886...ter-he-was-shot-at-fourth-of-july-celebration

Absurd. Have you ever tried to stop a moving target that can cover 21 ft in 1 1/2 sec? You are showing your naivety.

Every fired bullet has a destination - you either control it or you do not. The degree to which you control the shot will depend on the circumstances and your training.

Move and shoot to STOP - no warning shots - know your backstop - shoot to STOP as a last resort.

Note: In the time it took you to read this, that 1 1/2 sec. window has expired :exclaim:

Actually, The Mythbusters did just this in "Never Bring A Knife To A Gunfight", Season 10, Episode 11 (knife lost every time). Of course they knew what was going to happen, which isn't always real-life.

 

[Grapeshot]

Actually, The Mythbusters did just this in "Never Bring A Knife To A Gunfight", Season 10, Episode 11 (knife lost every time). Of course they knew what was going to happen, which isn't always real-life.

Myth Busters is so Hollywood.

Think this test and explanation of the Tueller Drill is considerably more accurate:
"Many times at 21 feet the gun guy will dominate...but 21 feet is the FURTHEREST point where the sword guy started to be an IMMEDIATE danger. As the start distance gets less than 21 feet the person with the knife or sword starts to gain an advantage. And the news is that the knife guy will get closer before he attacks."
http://www.bladefighting.com/21footrule.htm

Tueller: How many times have we said, “If I knew back then what I know now?” I’d stress the concept of reaction and response. What I was trying to get across is that most people don’t realize how fast an adversary can cover the distance.
http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/the-tueller-drill-revisited

 

[KYGlockster]

An employee of a Marathon gas station in Lexington, Ky. confronted a man who was urinating on the outside of the building. The public urinator responded to the employee with racial slurs, drew a knife and moved towards the employee. The employee, and Right-to-Carry permit holder, countered by drawing a pistol and firing a shot. Startled by the shot, the criminal inadvertently stabbed himself with his own knife, requiring medical attention at a nearby hospital.

Police told a local media outlet that they will not charge the employee. (WKYT, Lexington, Ky. 08/04/13)

I love how it's always, "They will not charge the VICTIM." How about they tell the truth, and simply say he defended himself and they CAN'T charge him because he did nothing wrong. The media always makes it seem like the police COULD arrest those that defend themselves, but they don't just because. Here in KY, if they had arrested the victim then whoever did so would be committing an unlawful act. KRS Chapter 503.

 

[KYGlockster]

They should have arrested the employee for reckless discharge.

Warning shots into the air are a bad idea, especially in a populated area.

Kentucky does not have such a statute; the charge would be "Wanton Endangerment," but firing into the air wouldn't apply. If he fired at the ground near people then he could be charged with it. Does the Lexington urban-county government have a "reckless discharge" ordinance?

As for firing into the air, when the projectile starts coming back down, it will be doing so at free-fall speed, not the speed that it comes out of the firearm. If it hit someone on the head it would probably sting, but it would NOT be deadly or life-threatening. I am speaking of firing straight up; if you fired just a couple feet over someone's head then of course the bullet would only arch and could still come into contact with someone while moving at deadly velocities.

I do NOT condone firing a gun into the air. I also wouldn't want to kill someone unless I absolutely had to do so. This is a situation where you have to make split-second decisions, and that is what he did. Perhaps he didn't make the right one, but nobody was hurt and nobody died.