Garden of the Gods Gun Ban Sign (pictures)

[jcman]

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Yes, again, thank you very much Reef for taking the time and work to do this.

 

[Kingfish]

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Gunslinger wrote:

Just to finish things off, I got a phone call from the Parks Commisioner for Colorado Springs. He reiterated the sign was a mistake and was taken down immediately, and stated clearly that open carry--as well as concealed, is permitted in the Garden of the Gods and any other Springs owned parks. He said, of course, discharge of firearms is prohibited--as it is in the city proper, but carrying a weapon is a right of Colorado citizens and that is recognized by the city of Colorado Springs. A little late, but still appreciated.

A little late perhaps...

I am planning a move out to El Paso County at some point in the next year or 2 and have been concerned about the OC situation in the parks. We will also be making a trip out there this April and would like to carry while we are there (no GA permit at the moment so OC would be only choice.)

Has the Sheriff been made aware that OC is LEGAL in all parks? Sounds like from a previous post there was a conversation with the sheriff and he was under the impression OC is not a lawful activity in ANY parks. It would really suck to be arrested 2000 miles from home.

 

[Gunslinger]

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Signs are down since last year. The Sheriff in El Paso County is the most pro 2A LEO you will ever meet. He is well aware of the law and so are his deputies.

 

[desettle]

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NVM.

 

[Kingfish]

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Gunslinger wrote:

Signs are down since last year. The Sheriff in El Paso County is the most pro 2A LEO you will ever meet. He is well aware of the law and so are his deputies.

Awesome, thank you sir. Really looking forward to the trip.

 

[desettle]

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Enjoy your trip!!!

 

[since9]

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reefteach wrote:

Here is the city code for parks in COS:



http://66.113.195.234/CO/Colorado%20Springs/index.htm

9.7.103: POSSESSION OR DISPLAY:

A.It is unlawful for any person to sell, display, use, possess or carry any switchblade or gravity knife or blackjack. Any weapon is declared to be contraband and shall be destroyed.

B.It is unlawful to knowingly display a firearm or other dangerous or deadly weapon, or any object resembling same which is intended by the actor to intimidate, threaten, alarm or frighten any person.

C.For purposes of this section, "display" means any opening, or unfolding, manifestation, exhibition, ostentatious showing, or exhibition for effect meant to intimidate, threaten, alarm, or frighten any person.

D.It shall be an affirmative defense that the actor displayed the weapon in self-defense, or to defend another person, or to defend the actor's premises or property. All other applicable State defenses apply. (1968 Code §8-14; Ord. 80-13; Ord. 97-132; Ord. 01-42; Ord. 03-105)

Open carry is legal in parks, according to their ordinances.

I'm no lawyer, but I do recall state law addressing this issue as well, using nearly the same terminology, butaffirming open carry as part of their State defenses.

Re: Para C - that's clearly "brandishing," not open carry. Para D allows brandishing for the pupose of self-defense.

It's same as the state law - why the confusion? Now if some cop hauls you in for open carry in a COS city park, get a great lawyer, use both the COS and CRS statutes, and sue the pants off COS for failing to properly enforce both their own and CO State laws.

 

[cscitney87]

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It's one of my favorite parks.. I get there every two months or so.

Now I just have to decide between sneaking in cans of beer or carrying the pistol haha :lol:

 

[desettle]

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since9 wrote:

reefteach wrote:

Here is the city code for parks in COS:



http://66.113.195.234/CO/Colorado%20Springs/index.htm

9.7.103: POSSESSION OR DISPLAY:

A.It is unlawful for any person to sell, display, use, possess or carry any switchblade or gravity knife or blackjack. Any weapon is declared to be contraband and shall be destroyed.

B.It is unlawful to knowingly display a firearm or other dangerous or deadly weapon, or any object resembling same which is intended by the actor to intimidate, threaten, alarm or frighten any person.

C.For purposes of this section, "display" means any opening, or unfolding, manifestation, exhibition, ostentatious showing, or exhibition for effect meant to intimidate, threaten, alarm, or frighten any person.

D.It shall be an affirmative defense that the actor displayed the weapon in self-defense, or to defend another person, or to defend the actor's premises or property. All other applicable State defenses apply. (1968 Code §8-14; Ord. 80-13; Ord. 97-132; Ord. 01-42; Ord. 03-105)

What I find funny is the term any person. I guess it is unlawful to frighten a criminal into not robbing someone. I can see it now. “What happened, why did you decide not to rob that person? That guy over there had a gun on his hip and it scared me. I thought I may get shot.” Officer goes over to the law biding citizen OC’ing and says: “Sir, your going to have to come with us. You broke the law by frightening that criminal.”

Funny how they state things in laws sometimes.