Forfeit Firearms

[TFred]

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Why do we have a law on the books that allows for the destruction of valuable property? The legislators seem to have fallen trap to the mindset that a gun, an inanimate object, can hold human qualities of "evil" or "crime". You might find that belief in third world Voodoo cultures, such as Haiti, but I would hardly expect my legislators to fall victim to such a bankrupt world view.

Are there any other material possessions that are normally destroyed as a result of their being used in a crime? Why aren't guns and other weapons required to be disposed of in the same matter as forfeited cars, or other personal property?

Reference is: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+19.2-386.29

TFred

 

[virginiatuck]

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TFred wrote:

Why do we have a law on the books that allows for the destruction of valuable property? The legislators seem to have fallen trap to the mindset that a gun, an inanimate object, can hold human qualities of "evil" or "crime". You might find that belief in third world Voodoo cultures, such as Haiti, but I would hardly expect my legislators to fall victim to such a bankrupt world view.

Are there any other material possessions that are normally destroyed as a result of their being used in a crime? Why aren't guns and other weapons required to be disposed of in the same matter as forfeited cars, or other personal property?

Reference is: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+19.2-386.29

TFred

One problem with reselling/auctioning/reusing these firearms lies in the practice of serial numbers being placed into a database, or many databases with negative connotations. To resell or otherwise reuse those firearms would mean that they'd have to actually clean up those databases and all copies *or* remove and issue new serial numbers to the firearms. And it doesn't stop with those databases because the data is disseminated into other databases and types of records. In the end you have a serial number that has so much negative and criminal information associated with it and propagated throughout the country (or maybe the world) that I, sure as hell, don't want a gun with that serial number.

 

[Sheriff]

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If you go far enough back in history, I am sure the police chiefs and the sheriff's association had a big hand in drafting the law as well. One more gun off the street is one more gun that can't be used on a cop.

 

[Grapeshot]

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virginiatuck wrote:

TFred wrote:

Why do we have a law on the books that allows for the destruction of valuable property? The legislators seem to have fallen trap to the mindset that a gun, an inanimate object, can hold human qualities of "evil" or "crime". You might find that belief in third world Voodoo cultures, such as Haiti, but I would hardly expect my legislators to fall victim to such a bankrupt world view.

Are there any other material possessions that are normally destroyed as a result of their being used in a crime? Why aren't guns and other weapons required to be disposed of in the same matter as forfeited cars, or other personal property?

Reference is: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+19.2-386.29

TFred

One problem with reselling/auctioning/reusing these firearms lies in the practice of serial numbers being placed into a database, or many databases with negative connotations. To resell or otherwise reuse those firearms would mean that they'd have to actually clean up those databases and all copies *or* remove and issue new serial numbers to the firearms. And it doesn't stop with those databases because the data is disseminated into other databases and types of records. In the end you have a serial number that has so much negative and criminal information associated with it and propagated throughout the country (or maybe the world) that I, sure as hell, don't want a gun with that serial number.

The "system" works fine with vehicle serial numbers through DMV. Why couldn't it work in this case if they really wanted it to?

Yata hey

 

[Neplusultra]

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virginiatuck wrote:

One problem with reselling/auctioning/reusing these firearms lies in the practice of serial numbers being placed into a database, or many databases with negative connotations. To resell or otherwise reuse those firearms would mean that they'd have to actually clean up those databases and all copies *or* remove and issue new serial numbers to the firearms. And it doesn't stop with those databases because the data is disseminated into other databases and types of records. In the end you have a serial number that has so much negative and criminal information associated with it and propagated throughout the country (or maybe the world) that I, sure as hell, don't want a gun with that serial number.

Wouldn't that add up to a Danbus payday for false whatever if *they* screwed up on the database :^).

 

[Grapeshot]

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Sheriff wrote:

If you go far enough back in history, I am sure the police chiefs and the sheriff's association had a big hand in drafting the law as well. One more gun off the street is one more gun that can't be used on a cop.

Wonder what per centage of total guns in this country are used against a LEO?

I'll take a swag and conclude that it is probably .001% or less. Now let's see, each gun taken off the street effects these numbers how much?

Do they crush his vehicle and burn his clothes?

Better to concentrate on taking the BG off the street and recycle the firearm to the benefit of honest people.

Guns aren't evil, people are.

Yata hey

 

[Tomahawk]

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Grapeshot wrote:

Guns aren't evil, people are.

That's why whenever someone is arrested, the police should send him to a concentration camp and eliminate him. One less person that can harm a cop.

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Sheriff wrote:

Rees said he had planned to take a hunter-safety course that would have qualified him to apply for a concealed-weapons permit. The course was taught by a friend in Appomattox, Rees said, “and I figured that as long as somebody was going to get paid for it, it might as well be someone I know.”

Twice, however, he was required to work on the Saturdays the course was being taught, so he hadn’t yet acquired the proof of firearms proficiency that is required for a concealed-weapons permit.

Another time (in my humble opinion) that the guy should have gone to http://virginiaCHPtraining.comand gotten his permit training online in about an hour for $40.

I am an OC advocate, BUT.. I would encourage all to get their permit (if they can) just for that time that some cop might not thing Virginia Tuck is OC or a gun on the floor of the car, etc etc.

 

[TFred]

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Sheriff wrote:

If you go far enough back in history, I am sure the police chiefs and the sheriff's association had a big hand in drafting the law as well. One more gun off the street is one more gun that can't be used on a cop.

Do you think they make and use voodoo dolls too? Maybe they could use some of those to get the bad humans to turn themselves in?

TFred