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Feeling Conflicted, cop assualts civilian and I'm not outraged

sharkey

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A young man who called police is annoyed at the response time and claims rank to the officer.

Officer knocks young man on his ass.

I guess I just don't like people posturing, whether they're saying "I'm a soldier" or "I just got out of the pen".

Maybe I like this because despite the excessive force it was not escalated to 10 officers dog piling and beating him. The officer maintained even tone.

Thoughts?


[video=youtube;p51PGX-PrqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p51PGX-PrqQ[/video]


P.S. I thought they tazed him for a moment there.
 
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PFC HALE

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looks like battery to me. stupid swine. unless kid touched swine out of camera view.
 
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So the cop is repeatedly saying that the kid "postured up in front of my face". Nothing about, or even suggesting, that the kid touched him.

There's no conflict in my mind at all - the cop should go down both via personnel action and via civil suit. Using the system against someone who has the termidity to commit contempt of cop is reprehensible enough, but when a cop lashes out physically without cause or provocation is, in my book, worse.

Everybody can have a bad day. But cops are paid to carry on professionally even though they are in the middle of the very most baddest day of their lives so far, as a young child once described their situation to me.

And by the way - the kid's problem was the most important thing in the world to him right then, and he certainly felt that his problem should have received a higher priority of attention. It comes from being part of the entitlement herd. By appearances the Army has not get disabused himn of the notion that he is the center of the known universe.

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...And by the way - the kid's problem was the most important thing in the world to him right then, and he certainly felt that his problem should have received a higher priority of attention. It comes from being part of the entitlement herd. ....

Agreed.

In fact, the cop's LACK OF SELF-CONTROL and LACK OF PROFESSIONALISM and BATTERY WHILE ARMED AND ON-DUTY is going to get this "kid" a lawsuit settlement; thus reinforcing his sense of entitlement.

Way to go...

Ignoring the kid would have actually taught him a lesson that: "**** happens, and we'll deal with it as soon as we can and we appreciate your patience, even though you won't understand it until you calm down."
 
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Agreed.

In fact, the cop's LACK OF SELF-CONTROL and LACK OF PROFESSIONALISM and BATTERY WHILE ARMED AND ON-DUTY is going to get this "kid" a lawsuit settlement; thus reinforcing his sense of entitlement.

Way to go...

Ignoring the kid would have actually taught him a lesson that: "**** happens, and we'll deal with it as soon as we can and we appreciate your patience, even though you won't understand it until you calm down."

Infortunately, no it won't win him a lawsuit..... There was a news spot on this a few days after it happened, the kid isn't sueing or even putting in a complaint. And yet he said he is still hoping that the cops will learn and change from this event.... /sigh

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So the cop is repeatedly saying that the kid "postured up in front of my face". Nothing about, or even suggesting, that the kid touched him.

There's no conflict in my mind at all - the cop should go down both via personnel action and via civil suit. Using the system against someone who has the termidity to commit contempt of cop is reprehensible enough, but when a cop lashes out physically without cause or provocation is, in my book, worse.

Everybody can have a bad day. But cops are paid to carry on professionally even though they are in the middle of the very most baddest day of their lives so far, as a young child once described their situation to me.

And by the way - the kid's problem was the most important thing in the world to him right then, and he certainly felt that his problem should have received a higher priority of attention. It comes from being part of the entitlement herd. By appearances the Army has not get disabused himn of the notion that he is the center of the known universe.

stay safe.

I agree completely.

My take is that they both behaved thuggishly, just that the kid is more of a wannabe who got his ass handed to him by someone being thuggier. He seemed like he could only respect another if the other whupped him. I wonder how he learned that bit of stupidity.

The cop ought to face criminal charges. "Posturing" only deserves assault in the world of thugs. Cops must be above that.
 

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COMMENTS REMOVED BY ADMINISTRATOR: Generalized LEO Bashing

I was hit in a parking lot at a place where I had a membership. Against my wishes, the police were called, I don't know by who. Knowing who they are and what they are about, I choose to not to answer most of their questions that had nothing to do with the parking lot incedent. Why was I there at all, who do I think I am that I can be there? Lowlife scum is how they see me and I have to defend my presents everywhere I go. I know the cop talked to at least 3 people in that place tring to have me banned (truspass order) My membership might be the only thing that saved me, but it will expire at some point. I'm followed by the staff there now because the police must have them convinced I'm up to no good.
 
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That post is generalizing to all police, i.e. it is cop-bashing.

Ain't nothing wrong with posting a judgment of a particular cop because of his particular actions, e.g. this cop is a thug because he struck a citizen when it was not warranted. But making statements as though all cops are thugs is bigoted--and a rules violation here.

Worse, generalization like that is similar to the behavior that some antis display about US. They talk about gun owners as a group in disparaging terms. We need to be better than that.


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Cop is a thug. This came out a long time ago, and to say the least, the cop seen here has a whole track record of idiocy. He attempted to intimidate the victim by being completely rude from the get-go. I don't care how thinly stretched you are, you don't mouth off like this punk did when he says, "We're not on your time.".

Actually, *******, you ARE on the publics time. Your entire existence is dependent upon it. Show some respect.

I can't help but wonder how far a, "Sir, we're really sorry but we are understaffed and sincerely doing our best, now what can we help you with?" would have gone.

Nope. Couldn't do that. Officer Ego needed to assert his ******* nature.

Kid was kind of a chode for saying, "Hurp durp immuh soldier" but let's face it; The only reason he did was because officer dillweed attempted to be physically imposing on the guy with his knowledge that he was a larger individual by stepping into his face because he arrived on scene with a pre-wadded set of feminine undergarments firmly wound in his pants.

Both of them have mild egos. The kids is more reactionary. The officers is more offensive.

I wonder which poses more of a public risk. :rolleyes:
 
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Ain't nothing wrong with posting a judgment of a particular cop because of his particular actions, e.g. this cop is a thug because he struck a citizen when it was not warranted. But making statements as though all cops are thugs is bigoted--and a rules violation here.

First, this citizen stepped up to a cop who "HE" called, like a BA acting all tuff. So he is not totally blameless. Add to that the possibility that this paticular cop might dislike being around smoke or worse, have an alergy to it. I was just pointing out that in every case I've seen or heard of, police uasally make things worse for the victim. At best, they are responders. Let me ask this, did those in the house who attacked this guy get arrested, or even charged? Did the police after all that hopla, even press the matter or try to get to the truth. I would have to doubt it, they put on a showing of concern while building a file on the guy with their questions. I'd be very interested to see how the incendent report reads. In this case, there don't need to be lies on it to justify actions by the police, but I'll bet there are.


Worse, generalization like that is similar to the behavior that some antis display about US. They talk about gun owners as a group in disparaging terms. We need to be better than that.

Having an insight into this, I feel confident that I can back up everything I say about police in general. Many times I get the good cop bad cop argument, or not all cops are bad. I'm willing to disuss that, we can go into detail. I'm not afraid of being prooven wrong in debate. But if I can't post the truth as I know it, and offer the countless examples to back me up, then I'll pass. Kinda cuffing my hands there.
 

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Ain't nothing wrong with posting a judgment of a particular cop because of his particular actions, e.g. this cop is a thug because he struck a citizen when it was not warranted. But making statements as though all cops are thugs is bigoted--and a rules violation here.


Point out where this has occurred.

First, this citizen stepped up to a cop who "HE" called, like a BA acting all tuff.

Incorrect. He was reacting to the immediate and initial attempt by the officer to intimidate him by getting into his face.

Go back and actually watch the video this time.

It was not appropriate, in any form or fashion, for the officer to attempt to intimidate this guy by being physically imposing. This combined with his overtly rude commentary on arrival makes for a pretty well-rounded and comprehensive understanding that the officer was not exactly being wholly rational, or professional from the get-go.
 

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Joanie is right to the extent that she says the wannabe thug is not totally blameless. However, he is innocent of the crime of assault. I cannot say with any certainty the same of the cop. He behaved like a thug. I'd press charges if he did it to me. However, I'd've been smarter in the first place and would have said for the benefit of my recording, "Please don't get into my face. Here, I'll back up. Let's both of us respect each other's personal space." If he slugged me then, there'd be no doubt that it was criminal assault.


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eye95 said:
that they both behaved thuggishly, just that the kid is more of a wannabe who got his ass handed to him by someone being thuggier.
He seemed like he could only respect another if the other whupped him.
... "Posturing" only deserves assault in the world of thugs. Cops must be above that.
+1 on all that

And as for our newbie who didn't read the rules, just report the post & let the admins straighten him out. It's obvious he's not willing to accept the correction from any regular member.

Hint: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules
(6) NO PERSONAL ATTACKS: While you may disagree strongly with another poster based upon their opinion, we will NOT tolerate any personal attacks or general bashing of groups of people based upon race, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender-identity or choice of occupation (e.g., being a law enforcement officer, in the military, etc).

While what you posted is probably true of the officer(s) you interacted with, it cannot be true of every person employed as a LEO in the USA. Therefore, it is overbroad.
Believe me, there are things officers have done to me (directly & indirectly) that would make for a bad attitude toward cops in just about anyone.
I understand the urge toward generalization.
But I also have a friend who happens to be employed as a LEO who is not all those things generally attributed to cops when bashing them.
So I know they aren't all as bad as the ones who have caused problems for me, and I hope that there are more like my friend than there are like the troublemakers.
 

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You can see the cop moving to the side. He's slowly getting in position first, probably where he can get a leg behind. A bit cheesy the way he talks while moving to the side, but effective. Then he starts crowing once the move is made and the soldier is down.

Too bad the soldier didn't recognize it and take a step back. I wonder what would have happened if he had just kept complaining calmly about the time rather than stepping up and getting a bit aggressive when the cop stepped up. With this cop, I'm guessing it would have still been ugly.

It's unbelievable how much the cop brags with the camera on. Taunting about the effects of having knee on chest. Thug + Badge = Worse Thug. It would be fun to see a video of these 2 goons "introducing themselves" to the wrong people and getting in way over their heads.

News report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpNZ22z7B7w
 

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+1 on all that

And as for our newbie who didn't read the rules, just report the post & let the admins straighten him out. It's obvious he's not willing to accept the correction from any regular member.

Hint: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules


While what you posted is probably true of the officer(s) you interacted with, it cannot be true of every person employed as a LEO in the USA. Therefore, it is overbroad.
Believe me, there are things officers have done to me (directly & indirectly) that would make for a bad attitude toward cops in just about anyone.
I understand the urge toward generalization.
But I also have a friend who happens to be employed as a LEO who is not all those things generally attributed to cops when bashing them.
So I know they aren't all as bad as the ones who have caused problems for me, and I hope that there are more like my friend than there are like the troublemakers.


I'm somewhat confused as to who your talking to, but as I looked and reread through this topic, I see no such violation as you point out in the replys of any member of the rules. However if you want to talk to me, about how great police are, how about we have this discussion elsewhere.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/AmericaChat/topic/8265697/1/#new

I've studied this subject for years, came up with not just the conclusions, but the reasoning behind them. you might learn some things. Your friend might even confirm some things that I've discovered, if in fact they are a good enough friend to be honest with you.
 

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You can see the cop moving to the side. He's slowly getting in position first, probably where he can get a leg behind. A bit cheesy the way he talks while moving to the side, but effective. Then he starts crowing once the move is made and the soldier is down.

Too bad the soldier didn't recognize it and take a step back. I wonder what would have happened if he had just kept complaining calmly about the time rather than stepping up and getting a bit aggressive when the cop stepped up. With this cop, I'm guessing it would have still been ugly.

It's unbelievable how much the cop brags with the camera on. Taunting about the effects of having knee on chest. Thug + Badge = Worse Thug. It would be fun to see a video of these 2 goons "introducing themselves" to the wrong people and getting in way over their heads.

News report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpNZ22z7B7w


Hmmm. I know I should be outraged. I'm anti-authority, I believe cops should be held to a higher standard, and you all confirm it...... However, I just can't feel sympathy for this man, the video posted above made me dislike him more.

This is weird to me as I've screamed in cops faces. I laid on my horn once and screamed at a cop to move his f'n vehicle out of my way when he pulled someone over and blocked the entrance to my neighborhood. Granted all of that was almost 20 years ago, I should at least be able to empathize with this man, but nope, I don't like him.

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Whether you can empathize doesn't matter.

What if you were lawfully refusing to give ID to a cop while OC'ing and because they didn't like it you went to jail?

Should that be OK because most people can't empathize with you?

Just because a person is being a jerk to cops doesn't give the cop free license to ignore our civil rights.
 

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Whether you can empathize doesn't matter.

What if you were lawfully refusing to give ID to a cop while OC'ing and because they didn't like it you went to jail?

Should that be OK because most people can't empathize with you?

Just because a person is being a jerk to cops doesn't give the cop free license to ignore our civil rights.

Nowhere did I say it was OK.

I said I wasn't outraged. I'm surprised by my lack of outrage, meaning I know what was done was wrong.
 
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