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Drawing on an LEO..

thejax

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I have a great story which thank god has a happy ending.

My friend was a LEO from MD, He then transfered to a PD in NJ. After that, he transfered to a private security company in PA where he now resides and is no longer an LEO but does consulting. He has a full carry permit in NJ and MD (which I know is hard to get but since he was an LEO it was cake for him) as well as PA and DE. He open-carrys basically everywhere and because he is built like a ton of bricks and has the haircut, people usually think he's still a cop and no one gives it a second look.

So a few weeks ago I called him up and asked him if he wanted to go to the range. So we went. After that we decided to go down to Christiana Mall. While in the mall we had a lot of people gawking at his gun. Mall Security walked up to him and asked for ID. He looked at them and said, "Are you an LEO?". He said "No, I work for mall security, I am going to need to see some ID". So my friend, which by the way is intimidating by just looking at him says "No. I am a former LEO. You are not an LEO and you have no right to ask me for ID. What is the purpose for your questioning and what can I help you with, sir?". So the mall security guy starts to explain that he is unhappy about the gun. My friend tells him in Delaware he can open carry. If he has a problem with it, he would like to speak to his supervisor. If his supervisor has a problem with it, he will leave the mall and want no trouble.

So after he said that. the mall security guy looked scared because my friend basicially stood his ground, though he was willing to compromise. So my friend said to me, "ya know what? Lets just leave. I'm really not in the mood for a prick waving fight of who's rules really apply".

So it took us nearly 10 minutes to get to the exit where we parked. We were gonna head out to get something to eat before our girlfriends started to complain thyey wanted us home.

As we exit, there is an officer from a DE police organization (i'm not going to say who but its pretty apparent if you know DE) walking towards us. My friend says, "ok here we go". So the officer walks past us. Just then he calls something on the radio and a decription is dispatched to him of my friend. So we just kept on walking. Finally, the officer says "Excuse me sir, stop right there". So we stop, not turning around. We hear the officer start to walk towards us. My friend turns his head slightly and sees the officer reach for his (my friends) holster.

My friend does a 180 and puts his hand on his holster and says "What on earth are you doing?". As he does that, the officer draws his weapon. So, my friend draws his. So now I am thinking, someone is going to die and I am going to be on the news. My friend is an expert marksman and also a quick draw.

So now the officer craps a brick and is like "put the gun down, put the gun down". My friend, who is totally calm starts to yell at him. He says, "Oh so now its a double standard. I reach for your gun and we have a huge problem but trying to ambush me and disarm me without my knowledge is ok? How about you put your gun back in your holster and I will stand down and do the same and we can talk about this in a civil manner before someone gets hurt." So the officer says no. So he says, "I am a former LEO. So are you going to put the gun down or are we going to sit here like idiots. I'm not even thinking of shooting you and I am sure you are thinking the same."

So the officer slowly lowers his gun and my friend does the same. My friend said, "for your safety, I will unload my weapon if you secure yours". So the officer puts his gun back in his holster yet keeps his hand on it. My friend, with his gun pointing down, takes the clip out and unloads his weapon.

He says "now, what the **** is wrong with you. What is it that is so important that you need to bother us as well as draw your firearm anyway?". So the cop, who still is sweating like a madman mentions the gun. So ofcourse my friend and I have a flyer to educate the officer on DE law. At the same time, he shows him his permits and all that jazz.

This happened in a remote entrance and no one seen this happen. My friends says "I am carrying this gun legally and now you know. So if there is nothing else officer, I'd like to shake your hand and walk away from this situation like it never happened. How do you feel about that?". He pauses then the officer says, "Sure ok. I really don't want to deal with the paperwork". So with that my friend reloads his gun, returns it to his holster, and they shake hands. With that we leave and head to Red Robin on Rt 40, where we talked about it for hours.

I just wanted to share. I don't agree with my friends actions by the way.
 

thejax

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Hey man, I just wanted to tell the story. I would like to leave my opinion out of this. I know this forum can get heated about people with a difference in opinion. I just wanted to share this with you. I don't want to end up being the bad guy.

But IF you must know, I don't think I would have drew my weapon to the LEO. I'm not a quick-draw like my friend and lets be honest. 9.9 out 10, the LEO would have fired for something like that. I'd like to go home at the end of the day. Thats just my opinion.
 

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PT111 wrote:
Your friend is very lucky two people were not killed right there.  I will refrain from any other comments.

Hey man, I agree. I was also carrying but concealed as ofcourse I am in public and not in the mood to be bothered. My friend on the other hand is very comfortable with open carry and thats his choice. But I would say he would of been shot. When the guns drew I put my hands up. I wouldn't of been shot. But my friend, he is very lucky.
 

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thejax wrote:
So I was nice enough to share a story and I am getting bashed anyway? Love it. I can't win.
Actually what got you bashed was the immediate defensive posture you took when MarlboroLts5150 asked a simple question.

No one was attacking you as you portend, but your posture sends red flags when you're talking about a forum that has seen its share of bogus stories and even troll behavior.

Now, either answer the simple question, which was nothing more than that, because that is the only way you'll convince many here that this story is not either an extreme exaggeration or even a downright lie.
 

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Why would someone make up a story on here? Thats funny. And this forum does have people that will bash you. All and all i'm a nice guy and wanted to send out an experience I had to everyone. But you had a point. Its just a shame I feel I have to answer a question the way everyone wants me to and not say how I really want to feel. But I am probably going to get bashed for making that comment too. Like I said, I'm not offended and everything is fine. So i am sorry if any is offended with anything I said for any reason. I'm just trying to contribue to the group. So lets leave it at that.
 

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rscottie wrote:
thejax wrote:
So I was nice enough to share a story and I am getting bashed anyway? Love it. I can't win.
Actually what got you bashed was the immediate defensive posture you took when MarlboroLts5150 asked a simple question.

No one was attacking you as you portend, but your posture sends red flags when you're talking about a forum that has seen its share of bogus stories and even troll behavior.

Now, either answer the simple question, which was nothing more than that, because that is the only way you'll convince many here that this story is not either an extreme exaggeration or even a downright lie.
That's odd. He clearly answered the question he was asked. He also stated that he chose to leave his opinion out of it. Fair enough all around, and not deserving of the treatment you give him.
MarlboroLts5150 wrote:
What part of his actions don't you agree with? You didn't specify.
question asked...
thejax wrote:
Hey man, I just wanted to tell the story. I would like to leave my opinion out of this. I know this forum can get heated about people with a difference in opinion. I just wanted to share this with you. I don't want to end up being the bad guy.

But IF you must know, I don't think I would have drew my weapon to the LEO. I'm not a quick-draw like my friend and lets be honest. 9.9 out 10, the LEO would have fired for something like that. I'd like to go home at the end of the day. Thats just my opinion.
Question answered....
 

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The story sounds bogus to me. But if it really happened like you wrote, then both of those dudes need some better training. First off, I would not draw my weapon and point it at someone, just to see what they are going to do in response. You already stated that the cop drew his weapon first, so I see your quickdraw friend getting his marksman butt handed to him by the cop, hands down.

Second this sounds like some hollywood b*llsh*t, "secure your weapon and I'll unload mine"! Give me a f*cking break man, it ain't going down like that, your friend if still breathing is gonna be ORDERD to the ground, you as well!

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe cops in DE are retarded and let people draw down on them all the time:lol:, after having drew their weapon first:uhoh:, maybe it's a trust issue that other cops in the country don't have with other armed folks:quirky, that apparently the people in DE have with their cops:shock:, must be a different world up there :lol:
 

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I'm not normally one to add for fuel to the fire, but your story just stinks to high hell. Your friend fits the fits into some Robert DeNiro role while the officer fits the role of a 'Cop #1' at the bottom of the credits reel.

Anyone who has ever been exposed, first or second hand, to police procedure knows there is only two ways that situation would have really ended. Shots or handcuffs. The former takes precedence over the latter.

Your account is 3 days old. You wouldn't be the first person who enters the forums with a 'too-hard-to-believe' story. Please take this tale-spinning junk somewhere else.

AC
 

jayspapa

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Hummmmm.....LEO has yourfriend covered..your friend draws his gun ...and LEO doesn't shoot yourfriend . Fast draw or not , I don't know any LEO that wouldn't pull the trigger if they were drawn down on.

I also think that anyone who used to be a LEO would know better than to pull such a dumb axx move .

I have to say the B S meter is peged out on this one.
 

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Pagan wrote:
The story sounds bogus to me. But if it really happened like you wrote, then both of those dudes need some better training. First off, I would not draw my weapon and point it at someone, just to see what they are going to do in response. You already stated that the cop drew his weapon first, so I see your quickdraw friend getting his marksman butt handed to him by the cop, hands down.

Second this sounds like some hollywood b*llsh*t, "secure your weapon and I'll unload mine"! Give me a f*cking break man, it ain't going down like that, your friend if still breathing is gonna be ORDERD to the ground, you as well!

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe cops in DE are retarded and let people draw down on them all the time:lol:, after having drew their weapon first:uhoh:, maybe it's a trust issue that other cops in the country don't have with other armed folks:quirky, that apparently the people in DE have with their cops:shock:, must be a different world up there :lol:
Those of that live in DE are calling BS as well.

http://www.deloc.org/deloc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1886

Christiana Mall is patrolled by Delaware Sate Police. They are the most highly trained and respected police force in the state.

I find it hard to believe that they are trained to disarm a suspect from the rear without fist making contact.

To the Original Poster. Why not post this story on PAFOA and see what type of reaction you get from those nice folks?

http://forum.pafoa.org/
 

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I was a cop. 'Draw on a cop (with his gun already drawn... for whatever reason) and you're gonna be shot... or shot at at least. 'Read this tale twice and I'm raisin' the B.S. flag.
 

thejax

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Sonora Rebel wrote:
I was a cop.  'Draw on a cop (with his gun already drawn... for whatever reason) and you're gonna be shot... or shot at at least. 'Read this tale twice and I'm raisin' the B.S. flag.

Ha. I think you guys have me all wrong. I just wanted to share a story with you of something that happened to me and my friend. I'm not here to argue or try and prove my story. I mean I know it happened so I mean, its obviously an interesting story. I'm not trying to become popular or entertain anyone nor am I getting any satisfaction. Just wanted to let you guys know. I hope you enjoy my factual experience and if you feel its not true. I can respect that. No arguement.
 

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SpringerXDacp wrote:
Welocme to OCDO Thejax. Your "friend" appears to be very pro-OC, did you inform him of this site? Is he a member here?

Or can the "friend" join up, if he's not currently a member?

It would be educational to get some information from him about the events described.

Let's hear from the man and give him a pat on the back or something...
 

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HankT wrote:
SpringerXDacp wrote:
Welocme to OCDO Thejax.  Your "friend" appears to be very pro-OC, did you inform him of this site?  Is he a member here?

Or can the "friend" join up, if he's not currently a member?

It would be educational to get some information from him about the events described.

Let's hear from the man and give him a pat on the back or something...

I'll ask him. He is very pro-gun but doesn't like to get involved in banter. Like I told him about the site and he said he would glance at it. This was a few days ago. I know though he doesn't like to get involved online in forums due to people who like start problems.

I don't know. I'm a nice guy and I like my guns. He is a very serious guy and loves his guns. We are two very different people. The only thing we have in common are guns, cars, and the fact that we like to get away from our girlfriends cause they love to complain.

Long story short I will ask him if he wants to join. But I doubt it.
 
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