thejax
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I have a great story which thank god has a happy ending.
My friend was a LEO from MD, He then transfered to a PD in NJ. After that, he transfered to a private security company in PA where he now resides and is no longer an LEO but does consulting. He has a full carry permit in NJ and MD (which I know is hard to get but since he was an LEO it was cake for him) as well as PA and DE. He open-carrys basically everywhere and because he is built like a ton of bricks and has the haircut, people usually think he's still a cop and no one gives it a second look.
So a few weeks ago I called him up and asked him if he wanted to go to the range. So we went. After that we decided to go down to Christiana Mall. While in the mall we had a lot of people gawking at his gun. Mall Security walked up to him and asked for ID. He looked at them and said, "Are you an LEO?". He said "No, I work for mall security, I am going to need to see some ID". So my friend, which by the way is intimidating by just looking at him says "No. I am a former LEO. You are not an LEO and you have no right to ask me for ID. What is the purpose for your questioning and what can I help you with, sir?". So the mall security guy starts to explain that he is unhappy about the gun. My friend tells him in Delaware he can open carry. If he has a problem with it, he would like to speak to his supervisor. If his supervisor has a problem with it, he will leave the mall and want no trouble.
So after he said that. the mall security guy looked scared because my friend basicially stood his ground, though he was willing to compromise. So my friend said to me, "ya know what? Lets just leave. I'm really not in the mood for a prick waving fight of who's rules really apply".
So it took us nearly 10 minutes to get to the exit where we parked. We were gonna head out to get something to eat before our girlfriends started to complain thyey wanted us home.
As we exit, there is an officer from a DE police organization (i'm not going to say who but its pretty apparent if you know DE) walking towards us. My friend says, "ok here we go". So the officer walks past us. Just then he calls something on the radio and a decription is dispatched to him of my friend. So we just kept on walking. Finally, the officer says "Excuse me sir, stop right there". So we stop, not turning around. We hear the officer start to walk towards us. My friend turns his head slightly and sees the officer reach for his (my friends) holster.
My friend does a 180 and puts his hand on his holster and says "What on earth are you doing?". As he does that, the officer draws his weapon. So, my friend draws his. So now I am thinking, someone is going to die and I am going to be on the news. My friend is an expert marksman and also a quick draw.
So now the officer craps a brick and is like "put the gun down, put the gun down". My friend, who is totally calm starts to yell at him. He says, "Oh so now its a double standard. I reach for your gun and we have a huge problem but trying to ambush me and disarm me without my knowledge is ok? How about you put your gun back in your holster and I will stand down and do the same and we can talk about this in a civil manner before someone gets hurt." So the officer says no. So he says, "I am a former LEO. So are you going to put the gun down or are we going to sit here like idiots. I'm not even thinking of shooting you and I am sure you are thinking the same."
So the officer slowly lowers his gun and my friend does the same. My friend said, "for your safety, I will unload my weapon if you secure yours". So the officer puts his gun back in his holster yet keeps his hand on it. My friend, with his gun pointing down, takes the clip out and unloads his weapon.
He says "now, what the **** is wrong with you. What is it that is so important that you need to bother us as well as draw your firearm anyway?". So the cop, who still is sweating like a madman mentions the gun. So ofcourse my friend and I have a flyer to educate the officer on DE law. At the same time, he shows him his permits and all that jazz.
This happened in a remote entrance and no one seen this happen. My friends says "I am carrying this gun legally and now you know. So if there is nothing else officer, I'd like to shake your hand and walk away from this situation like it never happened. How do you feel about that?". He pauses then the officer says, "Sure ok. I really don't want to deal with the paperwork". So with that my friend reloads his gun, returns it to his holster, and they shake hands. With that we leave and head to Red Robin on Rt 40, where we talked about it for hours.
I just wanted to share. I don't agree with my friends actions by the way.
I have a great story which thank god has a happy ending.
My friend was a LEO from MD, He then transfered to a PD in NJ. After that, he transfered to a private security company in PA where he now resides and is no longer an LEO but does consulting. He has a full carry permit in NJ and MD (which I know is hard to get but since he was an LEO it was cake for him) as well as PA and DE. He open-carrys basically everywhere and because he is built like a ton of bricks and has the haircut, people usually think he's still a cop and no one gives it a second look.
So a few weeks ago I called him up and asked him if he wanted to go to the range. So we went. After that we decided to go down to Christiana Mall. While in the mall we had a lot of people gawking at his gun. Mall Security walked up to him and asked for ID. He looked at them and said, "Are you an LEO?". He said "No, I work for mall security, I am going to need to see some ID". So my friend, which by the way is intimidating by just looking at him says "No. I am a former LEO. You are not an LEO and you have no right to ask me for ID. What is the purpose for your questioning and what can I help you with, sir?". So the mall security guy starts to explain that he is unhappy about the gun. My friend tells him in Delaware he can open carry. If he has a problem with it, he would like to speak to his supervisor. If his supervisor has a problem with it, he will leave the mall and want no trouble.
So after he said that. the mall security guy looked scared because my friend basicially stood his ground, though he was willing to compromise. So my friend said to me, "ya know what? Lets just leave. I'm really not in the mood for a prick waving fight of who's rules really apply".
So it took us nearly 10 minutes to get to the exit where we parked. We were gonna head out to get something to eat before our girlfriends started to complain thyey wanted us home.
As we exit, there is an officer from a DE police organization (i'm not going to say who but its pretty apparent if you know DE) walking towards us. My friend says, "ok here we go". So the officer walks past us. Just then he calls something on the radio and a decription is dispatched to him of my friend. So we just kept on walking. Finally, the officer says "Excuse me sir, stop right there". So we stop, not turning around. We hear the officer start to walk towards us. My friend turns his head slightly and sees the officer reach for his (my friends) holster.
My friend does a 180 and puts his hand on his holster and says "What on earth are you doing?". As he does that, the officer draws his weapon. So, my friend draws his. So now I am thinking, someone is going to die and I am going to be on the news. My friend is an expert marksman and also a quick draw.
So now the officer craps a brick and is like "put the gun down, put the gun down". My friend, who is totally calm starts to yell at him. He says, "Oh so now its a double standard. I reach for your gun and we have a huge problem but trying to ambush me and disarm me without my knowledge is ok? How about you put your gun back in your holster and I will stand down and do the same and we can talk about this in a civil manner before someone gets hurt." So the officer says no. So he says, "I am a former LEO. So are you going to put the gun down or are we going to sit here like idiots. I'm not even thinking of shooting you and I am sure you are thinking the same."
So the officer slowly lowers his gun and my friend does the same. My friend said, "for your safety, I will unload my weapon if you secure yours". So the officer puts his gun back in his holster yet keeps his hand on it. My friend, with his gun pointing down, takes the clip out and unloads his weapon.
He says "now, what the **** is wrong with you. What is it that is so important that you need to bother us as well as draw your firearm anyway?". So the cop, who still is sweating like a madman mentions the gun. So ofcourse my friend and I have a flyer to educate the officer on DE law. At the same time, he shows him his permits and all that jazz.
This happened in a remote entrance and no one seen this happen. My friends says "I am carrying this gun legally and now you know. So if there is nothing else officer, I'd like to shake your hand and walk away from this situation like it never happened. How do you feel about that?". He pauses then the officer says, "Sure ok. I really don't want to deal with the paperwork". So with that my friend reloads his gun, returns it to his holster, and they shake hands. With that we leave and head to Red Robin on Rt 40, where we talked about it for hours.
I just wanted to share. I don't agree with my friends actions by the way.