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Constitutional Carry!

saiga12boy

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Please sign this petition for nationwide open carry and concealed carry without permit. It needs 150 signatures to be publically viewable and 25,000 to get a response. With all the people coming on for the state secession petitions a Lot of people will sign this.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-constitutional-carry-firearm/snqYmTck


P.S. This is partially to raise awareness for the constitutional carry cause also.
P.S.S If this is supposed to be in the social lounge i'll put it there but I though since this applies to Florida too it could be here.
 

twoskinsonemanns

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KBCraig

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Please sign this petition for nationwide open carry and concealed carry without permit. It needs 150 signatures to be publically viewable and 25,000 to get a response. With all the people coming on for the state secession petitions a Lot of people will sign this.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...rearm/snqYmTck

The White House has absolutely nothing to do with open carry in Arkansas, nor anywhere else.
 

half_life1052

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Please sign this petition for nationwide open carry and concealed carry without permit. It needs 150 signatures to be publically viewable and 25,000 to get a response. With all the people coming on for the state secession petitions a Lot of people will sign this.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...rearm/snqYmTck


P.S. This is partially to raise awareness for the constitutional carry cause also.
P.S.S If this is supposed to be in the social lounge i'll put it there but I thought since this applies to Ohio too I could post it here.

The link is returning 404 --- cut and paste error? Or did they open up all of those super secret concentration camps that are scattered across the US?
 

Big Gay Al

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eye95

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I don't want the federal government saying word one about carry. The 2A means it is none of their business. If we let their LAW allow it, their LAW can disallow it.

The proper technique is to change State constitutions, State laws, judges, and legislators until unconstitutional laws restricting the RKBA are gone.

No. I will not sign the petition. (Those petitions are silly and useless anyway. They exist only to convince you that you have a shot at making the Obama administration less oppressive. Fat chance. He is "more flexible" now in his efforts to be a tyrant.)
 

eye95

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Are you posting this in every State forum. That is spamming.

Post it in General Discussion only.

BTW, as I stated in the AL forum: No. I won't sign. It is none of the feds business. If their LAW can allow it, then their LAW can disallow it. The proper venue for correcting bad gun laws is the States. Federal efforts should focus solely on repealing all federal gun laws. Again, it is not their business.
 

FreeInAZ

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Hey post this in the AZ sub-forum please, please, please, ...oh wait, never mind.:banana:

Constitutional carry should be the law of the land. Once it is, maybe some of the thugs might switch career's;).
 

Logan 5

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Won't happen. While the state, technically, can't attack the second Amendment as readily as they used to (courtesy DC v. Heller), they can regulate concealed carry. I don't think they should, but they have that choice.
 

Citizen

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I am opposed to getting the federal government involved in this. Its a guaranteed way to get it screwed up, set training requirements, set licensing for OC, etc.
 

Malcolm

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to a certain extent I must agree

To the point.

1. As amazing as nationwide OC/CC sounds (and it does). I don't think it's the fed's place to make that call. Like the other gentleman said, if we give them the authority to do it. Then they will have the authority to take it away. It's not their place. It's the constituents within the state that decide what is acceptable to them. If they are lazy, complacent, cowardly folk then they have reaped what they've sown.

2. My personal problem with this bill is the fact that all 50 state's self-defense laws are not created equal. That is going to be a huge problem that will get many honest, good men in a very bad place. That needs to be addressed. I haven't heard anyone talking about that. Stand your ground, Castle, duty to retreat etc. I've lived in states that respect your right to life and states that don't and I wouldn't want to be OC'ing in NY state, get into a life or death situation, make it through and then be arrested under NY law for not retreating or some other BS. Something to think about.

3. Have we given up on our states. I'm not happy with most of the states out there, heck even Ohio has a way to go, but we shouldn't throw out that process. With government, smaller is easier. deal with the governor, cause I know you don't want the ask the president what he thinks;)
 

eye95

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Malcolm, welcolm. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Join us over at http://www.ohiooc.org/forums/index.php also.

You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the lack of sameness in State laws driving this desire for a federal law. I think that desire for the feds to be the solution to problems has put our nation in an awful fix, one from which, I am convinced, we will never recover. I fear the Republic is issuing its dying gasps. But that is another topic.

To an extent, what you lament is what the Framers intended. When the States united, they entered the Union as 13 sovereign nations, surrendering to the federal (at that time, NOT national) government only that which was necessary for the United States to appear as a single entity to the world, for there to be free movement between States as though they were one nation, and a few other practical matters. Internally, they wanted the States to remain sovereign. The Bill of Rights, when it was designed, was only intended to be a restraint on the federal government from intruding on individual and State rights. Only through the Civil War, some really badly written amendments, and some silly rulings by the Supreme Court do we find ourselves in the day of "incorporation," where the feds can use the very Constitution designed to retain the sovereignty of the States over the federal government to allow it to exercise sovereignty over the States. The Civil War was the first sneeze in the illness that killed the Republic.

Oddly enough, the only rights-enshrining amendment that one could argue was not just an arrest on the federal government, but limited all government, was the Second. While the First has the famous words "Congress shall make no law...," the Second makes a much broader injunction with the words "shall not be infringed." Not saying who is barred from infringing, if could be inferred that no governmental entity might infringe.

However, let us assume for the moment that the Framers indeed intended for the States to remain sovereign in the matter of rights, including the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Their hope was, as illustrated by the republican clause in the Constitution, that the individual States would retain governments of laws and not of men and that those governments would respect all God-given (or natural, if you prefer) rights. Not all Framers even felt the need to enshrine these rights in constitutions. They wanted it left to the People to defend their rights against a rogue government, even to the extent that, "in the course of human events," the People might need to use their Right to Keep and Bear Arms to protect the rest.

This means, of course, that the only possible standardization would be a completely uninfringed Right to Keep and Bear arms in every State, but unenforceable by the feds. It is the People in our bottom-up society who are responsible for reestablishing infringed rights--and then protecting uninfringed rights. Unfortunately, these People of the United States and the several States have too much looked to government at all levels to solve their problems rather than performing the one real purpose of government: to be the structure within which People can live together with all of their God-given rights intact, that is to create a system within which the People can join together to protect each other's rights. Or not. The People of this erstwhile Republic have chosen being nannied over being Free.

Ultimately, it is only the People, working within each State, who can restore our rights and take back the Republic. Unfortunately, they have proven that through election they can't and won't. I fear for the process through which our rights will be restored or that they never will be. However, if they are to be, it will be efforts within the States that accomplishes the restoration, not by petitioning Tyrant Obama to please allow unfettered carry in all States. That which we believe he can allow, we will also sheepishly accept his disallowing. We have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms no matter what he or any other governmental entity says. We need to make each State government and the federal government realize this--hopefully without having to use that Right in a way that Suzanna Gratia Hupp reminded Chucky Schumer was the ultimate goal of that Right.

[video=youtube;FgrIsuO5PLc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgrIsuO5PLc[/video]
 

saiga12boy

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I don't want the federal government saying word one about carry. The 2A means it is none of their business. If we let their LAW allow it, their LAW can disallow it.

The proper technique is to change State constitutions, State laws, judges, and legislators until unconstitutional laws restricting the RKBA are gone.

No. I will not sign the petition. (Those petitions are silly and useless anyway. They exist only to convince you that you have a shot at making the Obama administration less oppressive. Fat chance. He is "more flexible" now in his efforts to be a tyrant.)

I know a big point of this is to raise awareness especially to all the people coming on for the secession petitions.
 

eye95

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constitution carry petition!

How is it raising awareness? Folks who sign them are already aware. They just mistakenly think that they are accomplishing something by signing the petitions. Obama's little ploy has them fooled.

Symbolism over substance.

If you want to raise awareness, walk around with a gun on your hip.


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Beau

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I found a petition on that site that was petitioning to have the petition site closed down. The reasoning is that the whole deal is big joke. None of it is taken seriously.
 

Grapeshot

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Have merged/consolidated all threads on this. The OP link works fine for me.
Please everybody keep up to date on the Forum Rules , particularly in this case rule #7.

Personally, I do not want the federal government involved in this at all - that is a very cold camel's nose under the tent flap. What they give the can take away.
 
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