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Constitutional Carry in the Missouri Legislature. House Bill 1468

Renegadez

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Urge Your State Representative to Support this Freedom-loving Effort!


Take action now to defend your rights!

Constitutional Carry legislation is moving in the Missouri Legislature.

House Bill 1468 specifies that a person who may otherwise legally carry a concealed handgun is not required to obtain or possess a license or permit from the state to carry a concealed handgun.

In other words, you can carry a concealed gun without registering yourself with the government or paying a permission fee.

If you have to ask for permission, pay a tax on it and register yourself with the government, it’s not a right.

Constitutional Carry fixes that.

The House Committee on Emerging Issues has passed HB 1468, giving it a “Do Pass” status last week.

Go here to tell your state representative to vote for House Bill 1468, which was introduced by Rep. Eric Burlison (R).

P.S. Go here to tell your state representative to vote for House Bill 1468.

House Bill 1468 is Constitutional Carry, and allows anyone legally allowed to carry a concealed handgun to do so without getting a permission slip from the government or paying a fee.

Constitutional rights cannot be licensed or taxed. Go here to tell your state representative to vote for House Bill 1468.
 

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CC w/o a permit is a great leap towards constitutional carry but this would not be constitutional carry. Removing the permit requirement located in RSMo 21.750.3 as well would guarantee that all Missouri citizens could peaceably exercise their 2A right as they see fit.
 

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Urge...

snipp....
uh renegadez....think you should at least give credits to the group that put the poorly worded political statement out?

i mean really...it is a forum mandate to give credit for stuff

ipse

ps...might want to figure out how to get the MO state flag waving and such when the thread is open...
 

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It looks like it is just siting out there. No Schedule for it to be heard on the House floor.

There are a few who do not like this bill because it doesn't go far enough. But oftentimes in politics, you have to get base hits in order to score a run.
 

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Imagine, CC w/o permit yet OC in some places requires a permit. The OC permit thing would fall very quickly. I suspect, gut hunch, that this is why the CC w/o permit bill languishes in limbo.
 

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Imagine, CC w/o permit yet OC in some places requires a permit. The OC permit thing would fall very quickly. I suspect, gut hunch, that this is why the CC w/o permit bill languishes in limbo.
No doubt. I've sent Rep Eric Burlison an email requesting an update, probability of getting passed in the House and Senate and if needed, what would occur in a veto...enough votes to override?
 

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CC w/o a permit is a great leap towards constitutional carry but this would not be constitutional carry. Removing the permit requirement located in RSMo 21.750.3 as well would guarantee that all Missouri citizens could peaceably exercise their 2A right as they see fit.
Exactly, it is like many other states that claim constitutional carry, still carry at the state's permission. Truly constitutional carry would require changing the state constitution, or the Mo supreme court recognizing the right to keep, and bear arms.

That said maybe this is a step in the right direction.
 

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Article I: BILL OF RIGHTS, Section 23 (August 28, 2015)

Right to keep and bear arms, ammunition, and certain accessories--exception--rights to be unalienable.

Section 23. That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms, ammunition, and accessories typical to the normal function of such arms, in defense of his home, person, family and property, or when lawfully summoned in aid of the civil power, shall not be questioned. The rights guaranteed by this section shall be unalienable. Any restriction on these rights shall be subject to strict scrutiny and the state of Missouri shall be obligated to uphold these rights and shall under no circumstances decline to protect against their infringement. Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the general assembly from enacting general laws which limit the rights of convicted violent felons or those adjudicated by a court to be a danger to self or others as result of a mental disorder or mental infirmity.

Source: Const. of 1875, Art. II, § 17. (Amended August 5, 2014), (2004) Section does not prohibit the General Assembly from enacting statutes allowing or disallowing the carrying of concealed weapons; the Concealed-Carry Act is therefore constitutional. Brooks v. State, 128 S.W.3d 844 (Mo.banc).
No prior restraint laws is constitutional and it is my opinion that the Brooks v. State ruling has been nullified by the change to Art I Sec. 23 back in 2014.
 

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No prior restraint laws is constitutional and it is my opinion that the Brooks v. State ruling has been nullified by the change to Art I Sec. 23 back in 2014.
So any gun control law, even allowing unpermitted carry is unconstitutional by the Mo constitution. Seems the proper etiquette would have been to remove the offending laws. The courts, and the government need to pull their head out of their rear, and do the right thing.
 

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So any gun control law, even allowing unpermitted carry is unconstitutional by the Mo constitution. Seems the proper etiquette would have been to remove the offending laws. The courts, and the government need to pull their head out of their rear, and do the right thing.
Ya'd think they would...but, we are talking political critters after all. Gotta grease their skids...if ya know what I mean. ;)
 

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Seems there is still some activity with this bill not sure exactly what this means if it may get a hearing next session or if it is considered dead. Just for Solus apparently who cares more about someone getting credit than info. My original post came from GOA email that was sent to me I also never implied I was taking the credit just passing some news. Since you are not from MO. I am not sure why you would care to come and troll me in the MO. forum but thanks for the "credit" info Lol:D


98th General Assembly , 2nd Regular Session
Activity History for HB 1468
Date Jrn Pg Activity Description
12/01/2015 Prefiled (H)
1/06/2016 H 21 Read First Time (H)
1/07/2016 H 152 Read Second Time (H)
1/20/2016 H 314 Referred: Emerging Issues(H)
2/29/2016 Public Hearing Completed (H)
3/07/2016 Executive Session Completed (H)
3/07/2016 Voted Do Pass (H)
3/08/2016 H 1139 Reported Do Pass (H) - AYES: 6 NOES: 3 PRESENT: 0
3/08/2016 H 1139 Referred: Select Committee on General Laws(H)
3/16/2016 Executive Session Completed (H)
3/16/2016 Voted Do Pass (H)
3/29/2016 H 1397 Reported Do Pass (H) - AYES: 6 NOES: 2 PRESENT: 0
4/13/2016 H 1766 Taken Up
4/13/2016 H 1766 Laid Over (H) - HA 1 adopted, HA 2 pending
4/13/2016 H 1776 Taken Up
4/13/2016 H 1778 Laid Over (H) - HA 1 ro HA 2 adopted, HA 2 as amended pending
4/20/2016 H 2010 Taken Up
4/20/2016 H 2015 - 2016 Perfected with Amendments (H) - HA 1, HSA 1 for HA 3, HA 4, and HA 5 adopted AYES: 109 NOES: 36 PRESENT: 2
4/26/2016 H 2186 Taken Up
4/26/2016 H 2187 Third Read and Passed (H) - AYES: 112 NOES: 37 PRESENT: 1
4/26/2016 S 1083 Reported to the Senate and First Read (S)
4/28/2016 H 1397 Second read and referred: Senate Transportation, Infrastructure, and Public Safety(S)
5/03/2016 Public Hearing Scheduled (S) - Wednesday, May 4, 2016, 8:15am, SCR 1
5/04/2016 Public Hearing Held (S)
5/10/2016 Executive Session Held (S) - SCS voted do pass
5/10/2016 SCS Voted Do Pass (S)

The activity can be referenced in the House or Senate Journal. The JRN PG column indicates the H-House or S-Senate journal printed for that activity date and the page number for the activity.
 

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The legislature is adjourned except for a possible veto session in September. It's dead Jim. Some of the provisions were moved into SB 646 which did pass.

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Urge Your State Representative to Support this Freedom-loving Effort!
Take action now to defend your rights!
Constitutional Carry legislation is moving in the Missouri Legislature.
House Bill 1468 specifies that a person who may otherwise legally carry a concealed handgun is not required to obtain or possess a license or permit from the state to carry a concealed handgun.
In other words, you can carry a concealed gun without registering yourself with the government or paying a permission fee.
If you have to ask for permission, pay a tax on it and register yourself with the government, it’s not a right.
Constitutional Carry fixes that.
The House Committee on Emerging Issues has passed HB 1468, giving it a “Do Pass” status last week.
Go here to tell your state representative to vote for House Bill 1468, which was introduced by Rep. Eric Burlison (R).
P.S. Go here to tell your state representative to vote for House Bill 1468.
House Bill 1468 is Constitutional Carry, and allows anyone legally allowed to carry a concealed handgun to do so without getting a permission slip from the government or paying a fee.
Constitutional rights cannot be licensed or taxed. Go here to tell your state representative to vote for House Bill 1468.
uh renegadez....think you should at least give credits to the group that put the poorly worded political statement out?
i mean really...it is a forum mandate to give credit for stuff
ipse
ps...might want to figure out how to get the MO state flag waving and such when the thread is open...
Seems there is still some activity with this bill not sure exactly what this means if it may get a hearing next session or if it is considered dead. Just for Solus apparently who cares more about someone getting credit than info. My original post came from GOA email that was sent to me I also never implied I was taking the credit just passing some news. Since you are not from MO. I am not sure why you would care to come and troll me in the MO. forum but thanks for the "credit" info Lol:D

98th General Assembly , 2nd Regular Session
Activity History for HB 1468
Date Jrn Pg Activity Description
12/01/2015 Prefiled (H)
1/06/2016 H 21 Read First Time (H)
1/07/2016 H 152 Read Second Time (H)
1/20/2016 H 314 Referred: Emerging Issues(H)
2/29/2016 Public Hearing Completed (H)
3/07/2016 Executive Session Completed (H)
3/07/2016 Voted Do Pass (H)
3/08/2016 H 1139 Reported Do Pass (H) - AYES: 6 NOES: 3 PRESENT: 0
3/08/2016 H 1139 Referred: Select Committee on General Laws(H)
3/16/2016 Executive Session Completed (H)
3/16/2016 Voted Do Pass (H)
3/29/2016 H 1397 Reported Do Pass (H) - AYES: 6 NOES: 2 PRESENT: 0
4/13/2016 H 1766 Taken Up
4/13/2016 H 1766 Laid Over (H) - HA 1 adopted, HA 2 pending
4/13/2016 H 1776 Taken Up
4/13/2016 H 1778 Laid Over (H) - HA 1 ro HA 2 adopted, HA 2 as amended pending
4/20/2016 H 2010 Taken Up
4/20/2016 H 2015 - 2016 Perfected with Amendments (H) - HA 1, HSA 1 for HA 3, HA 4, and HA 5 adopted AYES: 109 NOES: 36 PRESENT: 2
4/26/2016 H 2186 Taken Up
4/26/2016 H 2187 Third Read and Passed (H) - AYES: 112 NOES: 37 PRESENT: 1
4/26/2016 S 1083 Reported to the Senate and First Read (S)
4/28/2016 H 1397 Second read and referred: Senate Transportation, Infrastructure, and Public Safety(S)
5/03/2016 Public Hearing Scheduled (S) - Wednesday, May 4, 2016, 8:15am, SCR 1
5/04/2016 Public Hearing Held (S)
5/10/2016 Executive Session Held (S) - SCS voted do pass
5/10/2016 SCS Voted Do Pass (S)

The activity can be referenced in the House or Senate Journal. The JRN PG column indicates the H-House or S-Senate journal printed for that activity date and the page number for the activity.
well then Renegadez, since you didn't take the hint offered and continued down the garden path...

let me put my comment in more succinct terms, if you wrote the first post, it was poorly written and didn't say a bloody thing. BUT, that isn't the case is it renegadez...you cut and pasted it, huh!!

so you just copied and pasted the information from say an entity such as GOA and failed to acknowledge the source of your information, and posted the material on a public forum as your own which is failure to provide attribution, or appropriate credit! basically you are claiming the words are yours when in fact they are from GOA's website, https://www.gunowners.org/alertmo03152016.htm

further, the list of actions on 'Activity History for HB 1468' that you listed in your last post after lambasting me as trolling you, you once again failed to provide attribution of where you got your material.
in this case from a state maintained legislative website, http://www.house.mo.gov/BillActions.aspx?bill=HB1468&year=2016&code=R

i am truly sorry you failed to see my apparently subtle hint you needed to provide a cite for material you are quoting!!!

finally, insulting people when you are challenged is rude...quit it!!

ipse
 

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Again Solus that information may be posted on Goa's website but I am on their email list as i said I received that information in an email. I guess now passing information on to other requires a full time job to make sure sure i give credit to information publicly posted. I posted in case some folks did not know about it. your HINT means nothing to me as I never claimed credit it for it to begin with. I enjoy reading this forum as there are some very nice knowledgeable people on here. If you do not like my posts stop reading them and hassling me. You have way to much time on your hands. Go out to the range and shoot your firearms or something and 20 quotes per post are unnecessary waste of time and space and bandwidth we all read the thread quoting everything in a thread does not make you have any more authority on the net.

kcgunfan thanks for he further info on this being dead.
 
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Again Solus that information may be posted on Goa's website but I am on their email list as i said I received that information in an email. I guess now passing information on to other requires a full time job to make sure sure i give credit to information publicly posted. I posted in case some folks did not know about it. your HINT means nothing to me as I never claimed credit it for it to begin with. I enjoy reading this forum as there are some very nice knowledgeable people on here. If you do not like my posts stop reading them and hassling me. You have way to much time on your hands. Go out to the range and shoot your firearms or something and 20 quotes per post are unnecessary waste of time and space and bandwidth we all read the thread quoting everything in a thread does not make you have any more authority on the net.

kcgunfan thanks for he further info on this being dead.
I am sorry renegadez you have failed to understand the concept of fair use attribution and your apparent continuing violation of forum rules


(11) RESPECT COPYRIGHT HOLDERS: We often share news stories with one another. Please remember that these stories are copyrighted material and only post a fair-use excerpt along with a link where the rest of the story may be read.

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This is the last time I am going to tell you this was sent in an email there was NO link to post NO expectation of copy right implied or needed. I did not steal this from of a website. You know I have reviewed many of your post and it seems most of them are you bitching and whining telling others how to act and you seem to think you are some internet God of Web Forum etiquette. While it is true you have posted many good things contributing valuable information. Just knock off the rule mongering false quoting constant attack rhetoric.
If you do not like the way a post is made just skip it and go in instead of constantly trying to correct others. You Sir are as bad as the police who hassle people about open carry and worse then the Gubernent with their rule mongering. Please refrain from petty corrections regarding my posts and I will say no more to you. If you feel you must try to correct the world try using a pm to people instead of wasting open thread space nuff from Enjoy your day:)
 

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This is the last time I am going to tell you this was sent in an email there was NO link to post NO expectation of copy right implied or needed. I did not steal this from of a website. You know I have reviewed many of your post and it seems most of them are you bitching and whining telling others how to act and you seem to think you are some internet God of Web Forum etiquette. While it is true you have posted many good things contributing valuable information. Just knock off the rule mongering false quoting constant attack rhetoric.
If you do not like the way a post is made just skip it and go in instead of constantly trying to correct others. You Sir are as bad as the police who hassle people about open carry and worse then the Gubernent with their rule mongering. Please refrain from petty corrections regarding my posts and I will say no more to you. If you feel you must try to correct the world try using a pm to people instead of wasting open thread space nuff from Enjoy your day:)
thanks, i always enjoy my day...

thanks, i will continue to post good things contributing valuable information.

I am sorry you feel the need to put another's intellectual property out on this public server as your own material, a clear violation of the copyright laws, set up to protect an author or creator having their material pirated and used without their permission.

you may state to your little heart's content your opaque after the fact reference to you receiving an email and was just passing it on, but you failed to completely mention that you got an email from GOA in any of your postings thus providing the sender ~ GOA the proper credit due for their intellectual property and due diligence they authored the material or where the legislative BS you posted originated from.

as for your perception of my posts, thanks a lot for reading as it is appreciated, but your snide & inappropriate comment leads me to believe you failed to understand the points being made ~ guess that is to be expected.

you are right GOA prob could give a rats behind and not pursue you nor the Forum mgmt, but someone with an ax to grind could and would use this instance as further proof to forward their cause. remember, it is the little things that compound into huge issues, yours just one example from the naked city.

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Renegadez & solus,

Please do us all a favor and take your conversation out of this thread. I only want to read about information regarding the thread topic, not who should have done what when posting.

I understand there are rules and giving credit where credit is due; the issue has been brought to light... Please, let's let it pass.
 

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Renegadez & solus,
Please do us all a favor and take your conversation out of this thread. I only want to read about information regarding the thread topic, not who should have done what when posting.
I understand there are rules and giving credit where credit is due; the issue has been brought to light... Please, let's let it pass.
The legislature is adjourned except for a possible veto session in September. It's dead Jim. Some of the provisions were moved into SB 646 which did pass.
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KC sent his post out 10 days ago...

guess you can move on as there is nothing to read here bmhenry...

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