CC at its finest

[marshaul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx_YUO4SzcY&feature=related

If more people did it then I bet stolen guns would happen more. If BG is willing to take it from a uniformed officer, they will be willing to take it from you.

Whoopty-do.

And here's one where a guy, after first making himself a target by being apparently unarmed, let some robber get the drop on him, and ended up having his concealed firearm discovered and stolen anyway:

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/man-accused-of-stealing-gun-from-conceal-and-carry-holder/

Situational awareness is important. I'm sure we both agree on that.

Incidentally, most gun grabs directed at cops are the result of attempts to avoid being arrested. You know damn well that cops are not favored targets for ordinary theft or robbery.

 

[WalkingWolf]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx_YUO4SzcY&feature=related

If more people did it then I bet stolen guns would happen more. If BG is willing to take it from a uniformed officer, they will be willing to take it from you.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

This incident is old and it was found to be phony. I love fools, they always get caught.

AND carrying a gun by non LEOs was never about stopping crime, NEVER! The courts have never ruled in favor of carrying in any incident to "stop crime". This is the problem with CC cop wannabe/dangerous fools.

Keep trying... :lol:

 

[marshaul]

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/126...law-chicago-murder-rate-plummets-immediately/

and CC doesn't deter crime? Hmmmm

We all agree that widespread firearms ownership and carry deter crime on a statistical level.

What concealed carry won't deter is the guy who's decided to commit a crime anyway, and has selected you as his target. Open carry might give him one last... incentive to go home before it's too late.

 

[Rusty Young Man]

Whoopty-do.

And here's one where a guy, after first making himself a target by being apparently unarmed, let some robber get the drop on him, and ended up having his concealed firearm discovered and stolen anyway:

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/man-accused-of-stealing-gun-from-conceal-and-carry-holder/

Situation awareness is important. I'm sure we both agree on that.

Incidentally, most gun grabs directed at cops are the result of attempts to avoid being arrested. You know damn well that cops are not favored targets for ordinary theft or robbery.

What the OP fails to realize is that by finding only ONE legitimate OC gun-grab (not saying the cite he provided was legitimate, as it has been debunked some time ago on OCDO), the numbers would show it to be a statistical ZERO.

 

[Batousaii]

How about I choose my style..... for myself... for my own reasons...

For me, Open Carry vs. Concealed Carry is not about some debatable tactical advantage, or about what’s socially proper or ‘acceptable”,it isn’t about promoting a political statement or educating the masses (although the educating does sometimes happen). To me OC vs. CC is about Liberty, Freedom, My RIGHT to simply live my life the way I choose and carry how i want to carry, so long as Iam not harming anyone directly via my own actions. CC vs. OC is about what I’m gonna wear today, and what I think will either be comfortable, or look good, or maybe I just feel like carryold-gun-X, or some combination thereof that suit my needs and desires as I seefit.

I personally get tired of the tight-wads trying to limit my liberty and freedom via some proposed social dynamic that fits their internal neurosis.Here is a novel idea; let me dress and carry the way I want to, so long as my weapon is properly secured and doesn’t pose a risk of negligent discharge due to falling, and my carry style is supported by law. I understand if you don’t like some hap-hazard/loose method of carry, I got that, makes sense, it’s a safety issue, but short of that, who are you to care? So other than carrying my weapon in a manner that invites accident, I’d say live and let live, give freedom of choice, and let liberty ring. You either embrace liberty and freedom, or you don’t. Telling people they need to be like you… well… that’s a bit narcissistic I think.

- Bat :dude:

*(Comments are made in all generality, and not directed atany given person, including the O.P. It’s for any individual to decide if thisfits them or not. So for anyone who was taken aback by my candor, I apologizefor being so forward, I just get tired of people trying to press their ownviews as the “only” view that should be acceptable.)

 

[sudden valley gunner]

For me, Open Carry vs. Concealed Carry is not about some debatable tactical advantage, or about what’s socially proper or ‘acceptable”,it isn’t about promoting a political statement or educating the masses (although the educating does sometimes happen). To me OC vs. CC is about Liberty, Freedom, My RIGHT to simply live my life the way I choose and carry how i want to carry, so long as Iam not harming anyone directly via my own actions. CC vs. OC is about what I’m gonna wear today, and what I think will either be comfortable, or look good, or maybe I just feel like carryold-gun-X, or some combination thereof that suit my needs and desires as I seefit.

I personally get tired of the tight-wads trying to limit my liberty and freedom via some proposed social dynamic that fits their internal neurosis.Here is a novel idea; let me dress and carry the way I want to, so long as my weapon is properly secured and doesn’t pose a risk of negligent discharge due to falling, and my carry style is supported by law. I understand if you don’t like some hap-hazard/loose method of carry, I got that, makes sense, it’s a safety issue, but short of that, who are you to care? So other than carrying my weapon in a manner that invites accident, I’d say live and let live, give freedom of choice, and let liberty ring. You either embrace liberty and freedom, or you don’t. Telling people they need to be like you… well… that’s a bit narcissistic I think.

- Bat :dude:

*(Comments are made in all generality, and not directed atany given person, including the O.P. It’s for any individual to decide if thisfits them or not. So for anyone who was taken aback by my candor, I apologizefor being so forward, I just get tired of people trying to press their ownviews as the “only” view that should be acceptable.)

Nicely said!

 

[sudden valley gunner]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx_YUO4SzcY&feature=related

If more people did it then I bet stolen guns would happen more. If BG is willing to take it from a uniformed officer, they will be willing to take it from you.

I'll take you up on that bet. What do you want to wager? You chickened out of the last bet were you said I don't carry in crowded areas. Wanna try again?

 

[ATM]

It's tempting to admire the sheer tenacity of these incessant flailing attempts to bolster any argument for the superiority of concealment or against open carry specifically.

The herculean effort it must take to even continue with this self-imposed task of public enlightenment, forging on despite the constant and often witty refutations presented en masse to his seemingly random leaps between such a myriad of flawed premises and logical fallacies, it's almost inspiring.

Almost.


Sadly, the methods he continues to favor (or perhaps is limited to due to some undisclosed impairment) are simply too juvenile to sustain even the crude level of amusement I had briefly derived from direct engagement in a few of the earlier threads which were closed.

At this point, detecting no effort to employ or develop even rudimentary debating tactics, I must assume that attrition is the only method by which he might hope to prevail - not likely on this forum.

I thought it might get more interesting but it really didn't pan out. meh.

 

[Grapeshot]

It's tempting to admire the sheer tenacity of these incessant flailing attempts to bolster any argument for the superiority of concealment or against open carry specifically.

The herculean effort it must take to even continue with this self-imposed task of public enlightenment, forging on despite the constant and often witty refutations presented en masse to his seemingly random leaps between such a myriad of flawed premises and logical fallacies, it's almost inspiring.

Almost.

Sadly, the methods he continues to favor (or perhaps is limited to due to some undisclosed impairment) are simply too juvenile to sustain even the crude level of amusement I had briefly derived from direct engagement in a few of the earlier threads which were closed.

At this point, detecting no effort to employ or develop even rudimentary debating tactics, I must assume that attrition is the only method by which he might hope to prevail - not likely on this forum.

I thought it might get more interesting but it really didn't pan out. meh.

The problem with his repetitious tactic is that he ends up bathing in dirty, water - never draining the container or skimming the flotsam rich waste from one day/post to the next.

Even a barnyard porker will chose clean water over wallowing in the mud and his own contaminants if given a choice.

 

[g21sfpistol]

http://www.policeone.com/officer-sh...man-opens-fire-in-station-LAPD-cop-wounded/es

OC deferring more crime. This time in a police station. Still think they won't attack you?

 

[marshaul]

http://www.policeone.com/officer-sh...man-opens-fire-in-station-LAPD-cop-wounded/es

OC deferring more crime. This time in a police station. Still think they won't attack you?

Possibilities are not certainties.

What is certain is that CC has no possibility of deterring crime until it's already underway. OC has a high probability of doing so.

What's also certain is that, should crime occur anyway, OC allows one to "draw just as fast or faster than someone with" a CC holster, and then the OCer is in your favorite position: [strike]getting[/strike] possibly having to shoot the bad guy.

The fact that OC might not succeed as a deterrent doesn't count as an advantage for CC. At worst you're in the same boat as if you had CCed. At best, OC provides for a faster (and easily one-handed) draw stroke.

 

[Primus]

http://www.policeone.com/officer-sh...man-opens-fire-in-station-LAPD-cop-wounded/es

OC deferring more crime. This time in a police station. Still think they won't attack you?

You realize this dude targeted them right?

You should post some articles of soldiers getting killed over seas. I mean they are relevant to this discussion right? And they oc their guns right? Serious morbid sarcasm off.

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[OC for ME]

You realize this dude targeted them right?

<snip>

Obviously a minor detail not worth discussing.....to some folks anyway.

 

[marshaul]

You realize this dude targeted them right?

Of course. They had guns, and it's Criminality 101 that you have to Shoot First anyone with a gun.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

You realize this dude targeted them right?

You should post some articles of soldiers getting killed over seas. I mean they are relevant to this discussion right? And they oc their guns right? Serious morbid sarcasm off.

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Good use of his own irrationality in a real life situation thrown back at him.

Who do the "insurgents" attack. It's what they would perceive to be a soft target, am I right about that?

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Of course. They had guns, and it's Criminality 101 that you have to Shoot First anyone with a gun.

They shoot CC'ers first because they can draw faster than OC'ers too.

 

[Primus]

Good use of his own irrationality in a real life situation thrown back at him.

Who do the "insurgents" attack. It's what they would perceive to be a soft target, am I right about that?

Yes sir you are correct. Easier to hit a convoy with no armor and small arms then hitting a convoy of M1a1s or Bradleys. Bad guys the world over know of you shoot at a Bradley your smoked.

This was a lunatic who specifically wanted to target cops, even though he knew his changes were good of getting killed. That's not "normal" (if there is such a thing) bad guy behaviour.

Its like saying the d bag who killed those cops at the coffee shop means OCers shouldn't have lunch together. That's ludicrous. Only the extremely rare lunatics would attack a group of armed people. And if your normal citizens and not cops then there's even less "reason" to target you.

Just saying....

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[sudden valley gunner]

Yes sir you are correct. Easier to hit a convoy with no armor and small arms then hitting a convoy of M1a1s or Bradleys. Bad guys the world over know of you shoot at a Bradley your smoked.

This was a lunatic who specifically wanted to target cops, even though he knew his changes were good of getting killed. That's not "normal" (if there is such a thing) bad guy behaviour.

Its like saying the d bag who killed those cops at the coffee shop means OCers shouldn't have lunch together. That's ludicrous. Only the extremely rare lunatics would attack a group of armed people. And if your normal citizens and not cops then there's even less "reason" to target you.

Just saying....

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Thank you for the clarification. That is what I am alluding to OC is a hard target in a criminals eyes, where unarmed people (CC appear unarmed) are soft targets.

 

[marshaul]

Yes sir you are correct. Easier to hit a convoy with no armor and small arms then hitting a convoy of M1a1s or Bradleys. Bad guys the world over know of you shoot at a Bradley your smoked.

This was a lunatic who specifically wanted to target cops, even though he knew his changes were good of getting killed. That's not "normal" (if there is such a thing) bad guy behaviour.

Its like saying the d bag who killed those cops at the coffee shop means OCers shouldn't have lunch together. That's ludicrous. Only the extremely rare lunatics would attack a group of armed people. And if your normal citizens and not cops then there's even less "reason" to target you.

Just saying....

Very sensible.

Maybe somewhere there's a nutjob who is going to one day target an OCer. The odds of that are likely several orders of magnitude lower than the odds of being targeted by your ordinary run-of-the-mill opportunist who believes you to be unarmed.

 

[Sir Diealotz]

Mall Ninja,

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different
results."

:banana: