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Be the first to call the cops.

user

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I just watched a "youtoob" advertisement - one of those "skip ad in n seconds" things - preceding one I wanted to watch about the Ruger PC-9 carbine (that used to use the same magazines as the P- series pistols). It was a pretty good ad for USCCA, in which a guy's relating his experience with false arrest and prosecution on a criminal charge of brandishing. Here's the vid address:

The reason I entitled this thread, "be the first to call" is because the guy's story reminded me of several cases I handled as an attorney in Virginia (now retired), in which similar events occurred. When Badguy wants to steal your car, beat you up for changing lanes, or some such, they all seem to know that if you have a gun, you're vulnerable to spurious charges of brandishing or assault. So they back off and call the cops alleging that you were the badguy. And irrespective of cops' personal views, law enforcement management is very down on popular ownership of firearms (much more so regarding carrying in public). So PD/Sheriff's policies usually hamstring cops on the street, who are basically required to arrest the guy with the gun. (Some will no doubt remember my joke about how "the light's better here".) Easy target, easy arrest, easy conviction - adds points to their "crime fighting" statistics, which are politically important and relate to future funding of their little empires.

So my suggestion is that after the initial danger is over, be the first to call, or better yet, have someone else call while you're handling the danger, and report badguy as the attacker right away as a current situation - "Help, my boyfriend's under attack by Badguy, whose license plate number is xxxxx, and is about so high, and weighs so much, is this color or that, and has this color hair!!!! Please help right away, we're located at ......."

The first person to call is the one to whom the cops respond. The person who thinks, "I've taken care of the situation, no need to call the cops." is the one who's going to jail and will incur enormous legal fees (now that I'm unavailable) in defending himself. I have to say that I do recommend both USCCA and Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network for just plain folks, for the same reason you carry insurance on your house and car. We live in a hostile environment because Bloomberg and The System don't like an armed populace - since they rely on violence to create and perpetuate their dictatorship (so why should their proposed dictatorship be any different from those of Stalin or Kim Il-Sung), they can't tolerate just plain folks' being able to defend themselves.
 
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color of law

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I agree with you except for the purchasing of self defense insurance. I have not found one of these companies that offer their policies terms and conditions up front before purchase.

P/S I have a Marlin Camp 9. Ruger is now catching up?
 

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As of the last time I checked, both of the ones I was an "affiliated attorney" with were pretty good about that. I had no trouble checking - and I'm obsessive/compulsive about reading terms and conditions. With respect to USCCA, which is backed by an insurance policy, I had no trouble even getting a copy of that policy. You do have to know what you're buying, and they're all different. "Armed Citizens'", backed by a funded foundation, will front your attorney cash up front for a good criminal defense case to get you started quickly, but won't fund the litigation; USCCA will reimburse you for the cost of a successful criminal defense after you win, and will provide an attorney at their expense for a civil case. Best thing would be to have both. I've often told people that it's important to have a "rainy day fund" anyway, with at least six to ten thousand dollars' worth of liquid capital just in case (you get charged with a crime, get hit by a bus, come down with cancer, the house burns down, etc.). I don't care how much money you make, or how little, put some away with every paycheck before you spend it on anything else.

P.S.: the PC-9 has been around for a pretty long time - originally sold as a cop gun to go along with the P85 pistols, as they both used the same magazines and caliber. Got discontinued because cops didn't like the styling, apparently; they all wanted the modern, bulky, relatively complicated, awkward, but lighter-weight and cheaper AR style black vicious assault weapons like the military had ("low bid" guns). The version reviewed here is an updated model with a few improvements and different magazine choices. And I wouldn't buy anything marked, "Marlin", these days, after what Remington did to that business in its takeover. If you've got a "real Marlin" Camp-9, I'd say that was a good investment.
 
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why isnt the one who is 'right ' in the right; right. I don't need to call the cops when I am right. I'm not playing a game of I.m tellin.
 

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Why? Because our courts and police are not perfect. The fact remains that, right or wrong, the first person to call the cops usually wins the ensuing legal battle.

Increase your chance of prevailing when you are right. Be the first to call the cops. It’s not “tellin’”. It is just simple wisdom.
 

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Absolutely will not call the cops while the situation is active. Dealing with the thug is enough without having to worry about some nervous Nellie cop shooting me .

If it's required by law because of the situation I'll call them after its over.
If not probably won't.

Never have and never had the bad guys call the cops. Usually bad guys want nothing to do with cops.

JMO and experience. Others should do as they wish.
 

Ghost1958

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user specifically stated, “[A]fter the initial danger is over, be the first to call [the cops].”
Yes sir. I just don't agree with the advise personally.
I specifically stated unless required to by law I won't be calling the cops.
Definitely not during. Nor after unless specifically forced to by law.
 

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Since the advice comes from a person well versed in the law and who has personally experienced the results of calling/not calling the cops first, I value the advice.

This is coming from someone whose Rights have been violated by the cops five times now and who absolutely loathes talking to the cops.
 

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Since the advice comes from a person well versed in the law and who has personally experienced the results of calling/not calling the cops first, I value the advice.

This is coming from someone whose Rights have been violated by the cops five times now and who absolutely loathes talking to the cops.

Absolutely your right to do of course.

I'm only speaking for myself from my own experience. Others should of course do as they feel they need too.
 
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