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Acting VP of Clover Park Tech called the police on me today!

Grim_Night

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Something I need some clarification on... The differences between public and private with regards to recording... My understanding is this...

Public = anyplace accessible to the general public or commonly accessible places. Examples would be restaurants, out on a sidewalk, and anywhere that somebody simply passing by or that can easily just open a door may get access to.

Private = someplace where someone must acquire permission to get to or other reasonable "private locations". Examples include one's home, restroom, a private office etc.

In the previously posted videos, Mr. Wright and others said that where I was recording was private. I disagree. I believe that the locations were public because they were accessible to the public. A common lobby room with separate offices each with their own doors attached, classrooms with 20-30 students where anybody can simply walk in and hear or see any activity therein etc.

And to add to it, it is my understanding that I may record what is going on in my personal immediate vicinity for the purposes of directly recording things that I personally say and do and anybody that comes close need not be informed of such recordings as they are not the target of said recordings. An example would be a personal audio recording device in my shirt pocket with the microphone pointed at my face.

Also, recording a school employee (who I understand to also qualify as a "public official")while said employee is doing his/her job subjects them to the inability to claim that the nature of their conversations and activities are "private" especially when their conversations and activities are about me and carried on with me in their presence.

If I am mistaken in this, I would greatly like to know. I am in the habit of doing just such as I have previously been accused of saying or doing certain things that I have not said or done while in class by other students.
 
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RCW 42.52.010 Definitions.

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(19) "State officer" means every person holding a position of public trust in or under an executive, legislative, or judicial office of the state. "State officer" includes judges of the superior court, judges of the court of appeals, justices of the supreme court, members of the legislature together with the secretary of the senate and the chief clerk of the house of representatives, holders of elective offices in the executive branch of state government, chief executive officers of state agencies, members of boards, commissions, or committees with authority over one or more state agencies or institutions, and employees of the state who are engaged in supervisory, policy-making, or policy-enforcing work. For the purposes of this chapter, "state officer" also includes any person exercising or undertaking to exercise the powers or functions of a state officer.

RCW 9A.80.010 Official misconduct.

(1) A public servant is guilty of official misconduct if, with intent to obtain a benefit or to deprive another person of a lawful right or privilege:

(a) He or she intentionally commits an unauthorized act under color of law; or

(b) He or she intentionally refrains from performing a duty imposed upon him or her by law.

(2) Official misconduct is a gross misdemeanor.

[2011 c 336 § 408; 1975-'76 2nd ex.s. c 38 § 17; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 §9A.80.010 .]

It is generally held that public school employees are public/civil servants and thus I'm fairly sure that the above applies.
 
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Have you talked to a lawyer? If not, I would suggest that would at least have a conversion with one.
 

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Have you talked to a lawyer? If not, I would suggest that would at least have a conversion with one.

Ditto on that. You've got a lot of moving parts here and would think you could get an experience 2A atty to slap some sense into these bureaucrats to get their jerkwater operation compliant with State laws. Would think once they get a notice from an attorney they'll have to run it up the flagpole and alarms will start going of with some folks that use their brains that they're heading toward writing big checks - for attorneys and for potential damages.

GrimNight - Sure you aren't attending a school transfer Michigan? Sure sounds like you have a bloodline with some kind of a badger or pit bull that never lets go of something once attacked!! Perhaps you should change your tag to Grim Knight...
 

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FOIA Request

Freedom of Information Act Request
Attention: Public Disclosure Officer 04 October 2013
Lakewood Police Department
9401 Lakewood Dr SW,
Lakewood, WA 98499
Fax (253) 830-5069
Re: Freedom of Information Act Request
Dear Public Disclosure Officer:
This is a request under the Freedom of Information Act.
I request that a copy of the documents containing the following information be provided to me:

• 911 call transcript for a man with a gun call resulting in the dispatch of multiple Lakewood police officers to Clover Park Technical College on Monday October 4th 2013.
• The reports from the officers involved.
• Any radio or data transmissions from the officers from the time the call was dispatched until the officers departed the area.

In order to help to determine my status to assess fees, you should know that I am an individual seeking information for review and publication by Open Carry Dot Org, a non profit lobbying and citizen watchdog group relating to protections of the 2nd amendments.

I request a waiver of all fees for this request. Disclosure of the requested information to me is in the public interest because it is likely to contribute significantly to public understanding of the operations or activities of the government / police department and is not primarily in my commercial interest. Open Carry Dot Org is a national organization with many years of experience explaining the actions of police departments and legally armed citizens to the press, and advising police departments across the nation in their training of officers when dealing with legally armed citizens. This request will contribute significantly to public understanding as the information disclosed is new; supports public oversight of agency operations; or otherwise confirms or clarifies data on past or present operations of the government. As noted by 132 Cong. Rec. H9464

Please note that the initial reports on this incident appear to show the Lakewood Police Department in a positive light, and we have no reason to believe the information in this FOIA request will change that. Thank you for your professionalism and consideration of this request.

Sincerely,
XXXXXX



The Officers reports arrived today. I am still waiting on the 911 tapes and radio traffic. The reports can be viewed here... http://lantesinformationexchange.webs.com/
The reports have been redacted to eliminate personal information other than last names. I have the un-redacted copies in my possession if they are needed for litigation etc.
 

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FYI you'll probably have to wait longer for the radio and 911 info, as it doesn't come from LPD, but rather South Sound 911 (formerly LESA).
 

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Wow, it's interesting reading the different officer's reports and noting the subjective bias in each.

One of them was clearly not current on recording laws and not friendly about it. They all agreed no crime had occurred.

It was interesting to see that the school staff confided in the officers that the state AG's office would "back them up."
 

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It is generally held that public school employees are public/civil servants and thus I'm fairly sure that the above applies.

There's also the federal side to consider. Title 18, Chapter 13, Section 241 makes it a felony (any crime punishable by 10+ years in prison is a felony, even if the statute doesn't actually use that word) for two or more people, within the territorial boundaries of the United States, to conspire to deprive anyone of their rights.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/241fin.php
 

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Wow, it's interesting reading the different officer's reports and noting the subjective bias in each.

One of them was clearly not current on recording laws and not friendly about it. They all agreed no crime had occurred.

It was interesting to see that the school staff confided in the officers that the state AG's office would "back them up."

What's even more interesting is that Mr Wright claimed in the summary suspension document that I pose a threat to students and staff and that I have been belligerent yet none of the officers made any comments to back those claims up... Also, I'm glad that multiple officers reported my claim that I did not feel free to leave because the staff had told me not to and that they had campus security there. and the piece that really caught my eye was the fact that Mr. Wright actually stated to one of the officers that they were in the process of expelling me... Seems to go completely against the disciplinary process outlined in the previously listed WAC. Makes you wonder what is really going on here...
 
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What's even more interesting is that Mr Wright claimed in the summary suspension document that I pose a threat to students and staff and that I have been belligerent yet none of the officers made any comments to back those claims up... Also, I'm glad that multiple officers reported my claim that I did not feel free to leave because the staff had told me not to and that they had campus security there. and the piece that really caught my eye was the fact that Mr. Wright actually stated to one of the officers that they were in the process of expelling me... Seems to go completely against the disciplinary process outlined in the previously listed WAC. Makes you wonder what is really going on here...

Simple, they want to shut you up so they can continue to indoctrinate the sheeple that attend there.
 

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Cctv

Was talking today to one of the students who observed the activity before and after the incident. He agreed there was no threatening behavior although he said he saw one student trying to provoke Grim_Night prior to the VP coming. He suggests if there is legal action to ask for the CCTV tapes as the area you were sitting in is under CCTV view.

I suspect you would need to get in a request pretty fast though as they may overwrite their old videos in as little as a couple of weeks. At least if you notify them in writing that you need these images they may be required to be saved. The Federal Rules of Civil Procedures Rule 26 mandates that all emails, communications, files, directives and requests that may be relevant to a current or future federal litigation must be saved. The data must be produced and thus it must be archived, because that's the law. As no one can accurately predict what might be needed or requested for future litigation, the amended Federal Rules of Civil Procedures effectively cover all communication. I am not an attorney, and am simply speculating that this may be a method to obtain or at least keep them from deleting the video record. The CCTV images (if they indeed exist) should conclusively prove that your behavior did not warrant the reaction from the school.
 

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Finally managed to get the video uploaded to youtube. I have it set to unlisted because this is only being posted here for the purposes of information not entertainment. LINK

Wow.
I especially like the part around 21:40 where you cite law to the police officer, who then chuckles at not knowing that law down to the letter, and is obviously in awe of your knowledge in that area. I believe his exact words were "I look them up".

That being said, great job handling yourself (staying calm, explaining law, explaining your courtesy by doing what is not REQUIRED by law, citing law, etc.).
You get a dancing banana: :banana:
And for what it's worth, I support Jeff Hayes's motion to nominate you for the Brass Balls award.
 

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Grim's Brass Balls will go in the mail later today. This is an actual set of BBs key chain size, ask Bill Starks, Myself, Gogodawgs, MSGLAIGNE, Sudden Valley Gunner and Deros all have them, I know several of the carry them everyday as I do. I will continue give these out when OCers in Wa interact with law enforcement and walk away after standing up for their rights. this all started when a friend of mine from Chicago sent me a set after my run in at the Spokane Ron Paul rally almost two years ago. I then continued to award a set to those that have earned them and will continue to do so as incidents happen.
Welcome to the club Grimm. You did well.

Have you talked to a lawyer? If not, I would suggest that would at least have a conversion with one.
File your complaints early and often. You can always retract a document, but you cannot file after a deadline. I know of a few attorneys that would love this.
 

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Welcome to the club Grimm. You did well.


File your complaints early and often. You can always retract a document, but you cannot file after a deadline. I know of a few attorneys that would love this.

Honestly, I would love an attorney that would be willing to take this case. I've already talked to a few lawyers about my housing case and I'm at a bit of a stand still regarding that one. :/
 
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My biggest problem right now is knowing who to contact... It seems there is no accountability at all going on. I told the police that I wanted to file charges for the crimes that have been committed against me and the police told me no. I went to the city hall and tried to talk to the city attorney and again was told no and even more to the fact, was told that I had to get my own lawyer... Even if I did get my own lawyer, I can't file charges... only the police and the PA can file charges of a criminal nature and they refuse to do such.

You have the written reports, right?

Duty to make complaint (and this too)
Official misconduct
Coercion
Unlawful imprisonment

If the Sheriff refuses, then you have cause to seek a Writ of Mandamus from the courts to FORCE him to do his job.

Not exactly sure how you'd go about getting the feds involved for 18 USC 241 and 242 violations....
 

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I have typed up my 2nd appeal regarding the suspension that I have received.

I, Sean C. Witmer, student ID # ### - ## - #### Per WAC 495C-120-120 Disciplinary process and WAC 495C-120-160 Hearing procedures, do herby submit my written appeal regarding the matter of of my alleged violation on November 4th 2013 of the CLOVER PARK TECHNICAL COLLEGE POLICY & PROCEDURE Chapter 6 Section 15 Title Weapons on College Property Policy.

WAC 495C-120-120 clearly states that the process must happen in a prescribed order.

(1) Infractions of college rules may be referred by any college staff member to the appropriate director or designee.
(2) A student alleged to have violated a provision of this chapter shall be notified to meet with the director or designee for possible disciplinary action.
(3) After a careful review of the circumstances surrounding the alleged misconduct, the director or designee may take any of the following actions:
(a) Terminate the proceeding;
(b) Dismiss the case after whatever counseling and advice the director or designee deems appropriate;
(c) Impose appropriate disciplinary action (reprimand, probation, suspension, expulsion), subject to student's right of appeal.
(4) The student will be notified in writing of the determination made by the director or designee.
(5) If, after consideration of the alleged misconduct, the recommendation of the director or designee is for disciplinary action, the student may:
(a) Accept the disciplinary action; or
(b) File, within fifteen calendar days following receipt of the notification of disciplinary action, a written request for a formal hearing pursuant to the provisions of WAC 495C-120-160. If the request is not filed within the prescribed time, the right to do so is waived.
(6) If a hearing is requested, notice of the hearing shall be given to all parties at least seven days before the hearing. The notice will indicate the names and addresses of all parties, the names and addresses of their representatives, a statement of the time, place, and nature of the proceeding, a short and plain statement of the matters asserted, and the legal authority and jurisdiction under which the hearing is to be held.

Fact #1. Clover Park Technical College is a Washington state owned, funded and operated public college, subject to Washington state laws regarding firearms.

Fact #2. WAC 495C-120-120 Clearly outlines and prescribes CPTC's disciplinary process.

Fact #3. Monday November 4th 2013, Ron Wright, acting VP of student services is clearly heard and documented as saying that he and the school were in the process of expelling me for violations of school firearms policy.

Fact #4. Tuesday November 5th 2013, Ron Wright and others confronted me with disciplinary documents associated with CPTC's firearm policy.

Fact #5. Thursday November 7th 2013, While attempting to serve CPTC administration staff with notice of written appeal regarding alleged violations of CPTC's firearm policy pursuant to WAC 495C-120-120 and WAC 495C-120-160, Ron Wright refused such documents and in fact, escalated the disciplinary action to a summary suspension to include a criminal traspass order against myself, filed with the city of Lakewood police department.

Summery:
I submit that this disciplinary process did not happen in the order that is required. On November 5th 2013, I was removed from class and told that I was in violation of the above listed policy. I was told that I was going to be disciplined for said violation. The disiplinary documents had already been filled out and signed before I was even given a chance to present my case and in fact, I was never even given the chance to present my side of the case. Steps 2 and 3 in fact, were completely omitted.

I submit that the "Weapons on College Property Policy" is in violation of state law RCW 9.41.290 State Preemption. The CPTC "Weapons on College Property Policy" restricts the protected RIGHT of carrying lawful firearms on campus, requiring a state issued conceal pistol license and to only carrying in a concealed manner and only after receiving permission to excersize said right.

I submit that Ron Wright and Clover Park Technical College are in violation of multiple Washington state RCWs including criminal violations as well as violations of civil rights retained by me, protected by the US constitution and the Washington state constitution.

US constitution 1st Amendment: "Freedom of Speech"

US constitution 2nd Amendment: "Right to keep and bear arms"

Washington state constitution, Article 1 Declaration of Rights:

Section 5 Freedom of Speech. Every person may freely speak, write and publish on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that right.

Section 24 Right to bear arms. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.

RCW 9A.80.010 Official misconduct.
(1) A public servant is guilty of official misconduct if, with intent to obtain a benefit or to deprive another person of a lawful right or privilege:
(a) He or she intentionally commits an unauthorized act under color of law; or
(b) He or she intentionally refrains from performing a duty imposed upon him or her by law.
(2) Official misconduct is a gross misdemeanor.
[2011 c 336 § 408; 1975-'76 2nd ex.s. c 38 § 17; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 §9A.80.010 .]

RCW 9A.36.070 Coercion.
(1) A person is guilty of coercion if by use of a threat he or she compels or induces a person to engage in conduct which the latter has a legal right to abstain from, or to abstain from conduct which he or she has a legal right to engage in.
(2) "Threat" as used in this section means:
(a) To communicate, directly or indirectly, the intent immediately to use force against any person who is present at the time; or
(b) Threats as defined in *RCW 9A.04.110(28)
(3) Coercion is a gross misdemeanor.
[2011 c 336 § 361; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.36.070.]

RCW 9A.04.110 Definitions.
(28) "Threat" means to communicate, directly or indirectly the intent:
(d) To accuse any person of a crime or cause criminal charges to be instituted against any person; or
(h) To take wrongful action as an official against anyone or anything, or wrongfully withhold official action, or cause such action or withholding; or
(j) To do any other act which is intended to harm substantially the person threatened or another with respect to his or her health, safety, business, financial condition, or personal relationships;

RCW 9A.40.040 Unlawful imprisonment.
(1) A person is guilty of unlawful imprisonment if he or she knowingly restrains another person.
(2) Unlawful imprisonment is a class C felony.
[2011 c 336 § 365; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.40.040.]

http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/241fin.php

CONSPIRACY AGAINST RIGHTS
Summary:
Section 241 of Title 18 is the civil rights conspiracy statute. Section 241 makes it unlawful for two or more persons to agree together to injure, threaten, or intimidate a person in any state, territory or district in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him/her by the Constitution or the laws of the Unites States, (or because of his/her having exercised the same). Unlike most conspiracy statutes, Section 241 does not require that one of the conspirators commit an overt act prior to the conspiracy becoming a crime.
The offense is punishable by a range of imprisonment up to a life term or the death penalty, depending upon the circumstances of the crime, and the resulting injury, if any.

TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 241
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same;...
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

RCW 9A.04.110 Definitions.
(19) "State officer" means every person holding a position of public trust in or under an executive, legislative, or judicial office of the state. "State officer" includes judges of the superior court, judges of the court of appeals, justices of the supreme court, members of the legislature together with the secretary of the senate and the chief clerk of the house of representatives, holders of elective offices in the executive branch of state government, chief executive officers of state agencies, members of boards, commissions, or committees with authority over one or more state agencies or institutions, and employees of the state who are engaged in supervisory, policy-making, or policy-enforcing work. For the purposes of this chapter, "state officer" also includes any person exercising or undertaking to exercise the powers or functions of a state officer.

Conclusion:
I submit that not only was the WAC 495C-120-120 Disciplinary process handled improperly, I also submit that that the policy that I am in alleged violation of is also illegal and unconstitutional. Being a state school, CPTC is subject to Washington state law which it is in in clear violation of.

Name: Sean C. Witmer
Signature: ____________________
Student ID#: ### - ## - ####
Date: November 7th 2013

If anyone has any suggestions on things to include or remove, please feel free to comment.
 
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I have typed up my 2nd appeal regarding the suspension that I have received.



If anyone has any suggestions on things to include or remove, please feel free to comment.

Very well written. Hat's off to you for taking on these guys who so blatantly disregard their duties and abuse their authority.
I second BigDave's suggestion that you cover yourself with proof of service. These guys seem like the type to say you never gave them any paperwork, and lie about you confessing to being a bad influence to your classmates :)rolleyes:).
Make them pay, keep us informed (insofar as you may), and get some sleep while you can (I'm willing to wager a 20 rd box of brass-cased 7.62x39 that you need the rest for what lays ahead...).
 
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