Acting VP of Clover Park Tech called the police on me today!

[sudden valley gunner]

Again, you are missing the point. NOWHERE does it say that they have any authority what so ever to regulate anything in the field of firearms. That authority is ONLY with the state legislation.



The board of trustees for each school has their powers dictated by state law. Any administrative rule/law regarding firearms is inconsistent with existing state law. Where in state law dies it say that firearms are prohibited on college campus'? This is in direct conflict of RCW 9.41.290 which states that " Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed".

If they want to make rules/laws regarding smoking, fine. That isn't preempted. They want to make rules/laws regarding pets on campus, fine. Rules/laws regarding anything that is preempted is off limits, period. They don't get to pick and choose what laws they are going to follow and which ones they can ignore.

Nowhere in the link you provided does it say that any agency may make any rules/laws regarding an area of existing law that is already preempted.



You will notice that Mr. McKenna repeatedly states that the entire field of firearms is under the control of the state, as in the state legislation. He also says that RCW 9.41.290 grants authority to ONLY "cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities" for a very narrow area regarding firearms.

+1 In addition our constitution doesn't grant agencies to make laws, statist judges allow that.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

The state doesn't exempt itself from the law. A state that does is tyrannical.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

What law is the state exempting itself from?

The law that specifically states where guns are allowed and not.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

But there is no law that prohibits the state of Washington from further regulating guns (until such regulations are determined to violate the state constitution). There is only a law that prohibits governments lower than the state level from doing so. RCW 9.41.270 does not reserve firearms regulation to the legislature only. RCW 9.41.270 reserves firearms regulation to the "state of Washington".

There is no law that allows them to. The authority isn't spelled out in these laws and hasn't been granted by legislature.

The "state" isn't supposed to be all it's agencies, it is supposed to be we the people of the state and our representatives. So when I read this I see the state as being the legislature not random state agencies with their own agendas.

It lists specific do nots and it does not exempt itself from those do nots.

 

[mikeyb]

So 9.41.290 only applies to city, town, county, or municipality law/ordinance. A state agency is neither, thus not subject to 9.41.290. Is that accurate? If so, 9.41.300 applies, which most decidedly does not prohibit firearms on college/university grounds. 9.41.280 doesn't apply to colleges or universities. Shouldn't WACs be applicable to how government business is conducted, not how to control the population? Considering how WACs aren't "created" by the will of the people.

So accordingly, as an agency of the state, a college or university that bans the lawful carry of firearms is in direct violation of the state's constitution sections 2 and 24, along with COTUS 2A. The recent 9th Circuit decision extends bearing arms to outside the home. Clipped from LA Times: O’Scannlain concluded that the right to bear arms in self-defense “could not rationally be limited to the home.”

 

[Grim_Night]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, all the firearms prohibitions (such as in any licensed daycare center) still remain unchallenged in the Washington Administrative Code.

Maybe because it's covered by RCW 9.41.280? That's just my guess considering all day care centers are classified as public/private primary/secondary schools.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, all the firearms prohibitions (such as in any licensed daycare center) still remain unchallenged in the Washington Administrative Code.

+1

Yet I don't trust the courts not to weasle into bad decisions, like they did with making agency rules the same as law.

 

[J1MB0B]

If these schools are "the state" because they are an executive agency, why does my "state" issued student id card not work as a government id card? It wont work for security purposes at the airport, cant use it to get into a bar, can use it to get documents notarized, and cant use it to license my dog. Now at the airport and at the Pierce County building, I could only try them. I have tried to use it at several different bars and a couple notaries. I even showed the notary the wac saying it is a state run school and the org chart that apparently gives them the authority to make bogus laws and trample our rights.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

If these schools are "the state" because they are an executive agency, why does my "state" issued student id card not work as a government id card? It wont work for security purposes at the airport, cant use it to get into a bar, can use it to get documents notarized, and cant use it to license my dog. Now at the airport and at the Pierce County building, I could only try them. I have tried to use it at several different bars and a couple notaries. I even showed the notary the wac saying it is a state run school and the org chart that apparently gives them the authority to make bogus laws and trample our rights.

Because they are not really "the state", the state is supposed to be the people and their representation in legislature.

 

[tombrewster421]

Because they are not really "the state", the state is supposed to be the people and their representation in legislature.

And everyone knows the executive branch is not capable of writing law. Only passing or vetoing what legislature has already passed.

Writing law is absolutely not within the realm of authorized duties for the executive branch!

 

[tombrewster421]

Not as law. They are rules for govt employees and that's it. In a perfect world where courts recognize the constitution of course. Not necessarily how it is applied by corrupt judges.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

So, basically, none of the WACs are valid.... or any other states' administrative codes...

If their codes don't comport within legislative law they shouldn't be, unfortunately statist judges have ignored the constitution and who is supposed to make "law" by making law themselves.

Not as law. They are rules for govt employees and that's it. In a perfect world where courts recognize the constitution of course. Not necessarily how it is applied by corrupt judges.

+1

 

[davidmcbeth]

And everyone knows the executive branch is not capable of writing law. Only passing or vetoing what legislature has already passed.

Writing law is absolutely not within the realm of authorized duties for the executive branch!

Many times the legislature just tells exec. branch to write regs that have the effect of law .... I don't know if they even pass over this responsibility -- separation of powers ..

 

[Grim_Night]

Email from Ron Wright at CPTC

Hello All,



The college is currently in the final stages of approval for the implementation of the revised student code of conduct that has been submitted to the state for approval. Part of the approval process involves the college conducting a number of forums to inform the campus community and general public of the proposed changes and to allow for feedback.



On Wednesday, April 16th, from 2:00 - 3:00 pm a student forum will be offered in the Rotunda, located in building 3 seeking student feedback. Arrangements are being made to offer forums at the S. Hill campus as well.



A final public open forum is scheduled for Tuesday, April 22, from 2:30 - 4:30pm, in the Student Center, Rm. 302.



Thank you for considering attending the meeting.


Ron Wright

As you can see, the forum is open to the public, not just students. I urge everyone that can make it to attend the open forum and speak your piece on the issue of the proposed changes regarding firearms.

 

[Grim_Night]

It's been delayed but I finally reposted all the stuff I deleted months ago.

 

[Grim_Night]

Been a while since I updated this thread so here is an update.

RCW 28B.50.140
Boards of trustees — Powers and duties.

Each board of trustees:

...

(13) Shall enforce the rules prescribed by the state board for community and technical colleges for the government of community and technical colleges, students and teachers, and adopt such rules and perform all other acts not inconsistent with law or rules of the state board for community and technical colleges as the board of trustees may in its discretion deem necessary or appropriate to the administration of college districts: PROVIDED, That such rules shall include, but not be limited to, rules relating to housing, scholarships, conduct at the various community and technical college facilities, and discipline: PROVIDED, FURTHER, That the board of trustees may suspend or expel from community and technical colleges students who refuse to obey any of the duly adopted rules;

As of May 2014, CPTC has changed the WAC in violation of state law.

WAC 495C-121-050
Prohibited student conduct.

(8) Weapons. Holding, wearing, transporting, storing, or otherwise possessing any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, explosive device, or any other weapon or device which is apparently capable of producing bodily harm, on or in any college facility, subject to the following exceptions:
(a) Commissioned law enforcement personnel or legally authorized military personnel while in performance of their duties;
(b) College-owned knives, tools, etc., that are being used for a legitimate educational purpose as part of a college instructional program;
(c) A student with a valid concealed pistol license may store a pistol in his or her vehicle parked on campus in accordance with RCW 9.41.050 (2) or (3), provided the vehicle is locked and the pistol is concealed from view; and
(d) The president may grant permission to bring such a weapon or device on or into a college facility when he/she determines that it is reasonably related to a legitimate pedagogical purpose, provided that such permission shall be in writing and shall be subject to all terms and conditions incorporated in that writing.

They have made it so that you may no longer keep and bear arms on campus with the exception of locked up in your vehicle. This is "inconsistent with law". We all know why it is "inconsistent".

 

[Alpine]

Probably going to take a major lawsuit to resolve the RCW vs WAC nonsense they are pulling.