mobeewan
Regular Member
Interesting choice of words. If the cop did no wrong, why would he say “We will do the right thing.”, as there would be no need to make anything right by the police.
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Culpeper shooting
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Interesting choice of words. If the cop did no wrong, why would he say “We will do the right thing.”, as there would be no need to make anything right by the police.
"...(this time)".
You gotta wonder why the Police Chief feels the need to assure citizens that they will do the right thing? It's as though they are normally self-serving and this is a departure from that.
He might as well resign now. A prosecutor admitting he's biased? What a dimwit. He should resign due to incompetence and stupidity.
More here:
http://wusa9.com/news/article/19076...ged-His-Story-About-Officer-Involved-Shooting
The officer did NOT have his blue lights on. She was free to go, by law, I'm reading.
sawah...blue lights are not a required element of detention.
OK, I just said I read that, so I have no knowledge. My friend said that appointing a SP was a good idea (to prevent recriminations from the PD), but I maintain that _saying_ why was dumb.
I still think it shouldn't be taking a week to get the report on it done.
Here's where I read about blue light detainment:
As long as I'm editing, WHO goes out without their dash cam working?? OH, I get it. It wasn't 'WORKING' as in turned off...as in he ran back and erased it (maybe).
I still think it shouldn't be taking a week to get the report on it done.
Here's where I read about blue light detainment:
As long as I'm editing, WHO goes out without their dash cam working?? OH, I get it. It wasn't 'WORKING' as in turned off...as in he ran back and erased it (maybe).
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The SP is a good idea unless he's like Horan.
The Chief is starting to squirm so it's starting to look bad for the Officer.
Hopefully the husband has already hired a GOOD attorney!
user
Accomplished Advocate
Well, not so fast - he is wise to recognize that he has a potential conflict of interest, or worse yet, the possibility of a public perception of conflict of interest, and to let someone else do it. I've had cases I had to decline because I'd represented the person the new client wanted to sue, for example. That's pretty much required, because of the fiduciary duty the attorney owes to his clients.
user
Accomplished Advocate
I've known Jim Fisher for, well, put it this way, my hair was brown when I met him, and he HAD hair. He and I were frequent sparring partners in the Fairfax County General District Court, when he was a fresh-faced deputy-under-assistant-Commonwealth's Attorney in the Bob Horan School of Jurisprudence. He's one of the best Commonwealth's Attorneys in Virginia, I think, and a recently elected one, having been recently associated with Jim Plowman's office in Leesburg. He's intellectually honest, fair-minded, and a decent person, despite his experience in Fairfax.
On the other hand, he does represent the Commonwealth of Virginia, not the victim, not the cop, not anyone personally, and his job is to do right by his client. If he decides that means getting an indictment and then nolle pros'ing the case, doing a plea deal, or throwing the cop under the bus (to use the technical term), or even not pursuing a prosecution at all, that's what he's going to do, if it's in the best interests of the Commonwealth.
Because the essence of a "crime" is the offense against the dignity of the Sovereign, the "victim" of every crime is the Commonwealth, not some person who happens to get hurt by the commission of the crime. That person, if he live, is merely a witness as far as criminal procedure goes. As P.N. points out, the next of kin will be best served by conducting their own prosecution in civil court.
Always appreciate when User (Daniel) chimes in. I agree and said it was his commenting on the recusal that was stunningly dumb.
Thinking about it, I am struck by the decision of the officer to shoot the (unarmed) "church lady" 6-9 times when she was driving off. Who does that? Perhaps someone who knows they can't let the person live. He could have just gotten her plate number and arrested her at her home.
More idle musings: I think they need to tell us the condition of his shoes. To me they are evidential as to whether he was dragged. That, and the condition of the window shelf. In a civilian case we'd have to -prove- we were dragged. I agree they are sweating right about now. IMO, they could have sent the evidence to the Moon by now for analysis and gotten it back. What's the hold up?
Thinking about it, I am struck by the decision of the officer to shoot the (unarmed) "church lady" 6-9 times when she was driving off. Who does that? Perhaps someone who knows they can't let the person live. He could have just gotten her plate number and arrested her at her home.
More idle musings: I think they need to tell us the condition of his shoes. To me they are evidential as to whether he was dragged. That, and the condition of the window shelf. In a civilian case we'd have to -prove- we were dragged. I agree they are sweating right about now. IMO, they could have sent the evidence to the Moon by now for analysis and gotten it back. What's the hold up?
TFred
Regular Member
I can't disagree with anything you've said, but I have to ask or perhaps point out, that it seems to me that the public perception of a police officer incorrectly taking the life of a citizen, and then "getting away with it" would be a very bad thing for the Commonwealth of Virginia.
Not saying that is what happened here, just saying, IF it is, and IF there were no justice delivered, I believe that does very much hurt the interests of the Commonwealth as a whole.
TFred
2a4all
Regular Member
I agree that waiting is frustrating, but the investigation is ongoing. Even when complete, the results need only be reported to the Commonwealth's Attorney. No public disclosure is required (at least before any trial). So far, we only know that the officer says he was dragged, and that a witness says he wasn't, so someone has to resolve that discrepancy.
I would prefer that a grand jury be convened to let the citizens decide.
I don't know anything about the Special Prosecutor. Like most things, if Dan says so, I don't look any further,
I do know about Grand Juries though and they will only be presented with the information the SP gives them. It's rare they don't return a True Bill unless the Prosecutor doesn't want them to. He runs the show!
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2a4all
Regular Member
Prosecutors don't always get their way. Citizens can and do ferret out valid cases from bogus ones. And they can always ask those who testify "Were there any other witnesses?".
Perhaps the victim's husband should petition the court to convene a Special Grand Jury.
http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/circuit/handbook_grand_jurors.pdf
nuc65
Activist Member
Culpepper VA cop’s version of why he shot unarmed 54yr-old female motorist to death contradicted by witness on.wusa9.com/ye2thV
I finally found the other news story...
Culpepper VA cop’s version of why he shot unarmed 54yr-old female motorist to death contradicted by witness [4] on.wusa9.com/ye2thV
and in other news...
New York NY police quietly revised their internal policies to allow cops to use deadly force more often and give them more legal protections for when they do. This came in the wake of the highly questionable fatal shooting of an unarmed teen but was actually in response to an incident where innocent bystanders were injured when cops fired into a crowd. [3] bit.ly/xXm7oy
Louden Co VA deputy sued for allegedly leaving a man with brain damage after he hit him with a running sucker punch in the back of the head in an incident caught on dashcam. [0] ow.ly/1GhThe
Roanoke Co VA cop is under investigation for allegedly pulling a man over in an unmarked cruiser and assaulting him in front of his kids. [2] bit.ly/ydraIX
I finally found the other news story...
Culpepper VA cop’s version of why he shot unarmed 54yr-old female motorist to death contradicted by witness [4] on.wusa9.com/ye2thV
and in other news...
New York NY police quietly revised their internal policies to allow cops to use deadly force more often and give them more legal protections for when they do. This came in the wake of the highly questionable fatal shooting of an unarmed teen but was actually in response to an incident where innocent bystanders were injured when cops fired into a crowd. [3] bit.ly/xXm7oy
Louden Co VA deputy sued for allegedly leaving a man with brain damage after he hit him with a running sucker punch in the back of the head in an incident caught on dashcam. [0] ow.ly/1GhThe
Roanoke Co VA cop is under investigation for allegedly pulling a man over in an unmarked cruiser and assaulting him in front of his kids. [2] bit.ly/ydraIX
Sheriff
Regular Member
Culpeper told WUSA news that the dashcam in the officer's car was not working. Not Working? Does this come as a surprise to anyone?
And the special prosecutor appointed in the case is the son of a Virginia State Police trooper. Interesting choice, eh?
And the special prosecutor appointed in the case is the son of a Virginia State Police trooper. Interesting choice, eh?
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2a4all
Regular Member
No conflict there
JoeSparky
Centurion
In my experience in "Ride-Alongs" with an officer I have known for many years... the dash cam and audio recordings comes on automatically when the emergency lights are activated. Once on, the dash cam can be manually deactivated by the officer or does stop recording when the emergency lights are deactivated. My experience is not based in Virginia and I recognize that my experience in UTAH may be significantly different that what occurs in other locations.
riverrat10k
Regular Member
This whole thing is sickening and sad.
A woman dead.
A man's career over.
Why? Us.
We have allowed some among our government to be trained in agressive behavior. All the evidence points to police training that emphasizes control and intimidation. A constabulary that would respect Constitutional rights and be trained more in conflict resolution and generalized emergency sevices is much preferred to a local team of Brown Shirts.
Many on this site understand government overreach. I think we continue to do what we do best. Write, e-mail, stay politically active. Until the end.
A woman dead.
A man's career over.
Why? Us.
We have allowed some among our government to be trained in agressive behavior. All the evidence points to police training that emphasizes control and intimidation. A constabulary that would respect Constitutional rights and be trained more in conflict resolution and generalized emergency sevices is much preferred to a local team of Brown Shirts.
Many on this site understand government overreach. I think we continue to do what we do best. Write, e-mail, stay politically active. Until the end.
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
Always the voice of reason and compassion!