luv_jeeps
Campaign Veteran
Didn't post the link to the original thread, but some good news.........
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_17628424
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_17628424
Sorry I have been absent for so long from the forum. But, now I am free to talk about the case, so, please ask questions, and I will try to give some helpful answers
I have been here daily, reading and learning. And, I do appreciate all of you.
use some of the money to buy the biggest pistol you can find,
then lets all have a OC BBQ in loveland!!
The burning question that must be asked (but doesn't have to be answered): How much did you ACTUALLY get?
Even if you don't answer my first question, what is the first gun you will buy with your settlement?
"The motivation of the city of Loveland and the Police Department in settling the lawsuit for a nominal amount is to avoid the excessive cost of on-going litigation at the expense of Loveland's taxpaying residents," the city said in a statement.
Why did you settle?
Thanks to Nelson Boyle's skill and wisdom, I came out OK on the $$. They offerred $5,000 more for my silence. I declined.
Sorry I have been absent for so long from the forum. But, now I am free to talk about the case, so, please ask questions, and I will try to give some helpful answers
I have been here daily, reading and learning. And, I do appreciate all of you.
That is great news. My sincere congatulations!
They wanted to "save the taxpayers money." 15 large may be nominal to them, but I'll take it! And if I was a taxpayer, I'd want some answers right now, or the resignation of the head stormtrooper. The cops acted properly..." after all, they only violated Bill's rights a little...$500 a minute for their 30 minute 'little' violation.
It's the principle more than the money, IMO. You made them feel it enough to get the principle and publicized the issue. We'll consider that $5k a donation to the cause. Thanks, Billy!
'“Our officers are going to have to make informed decisions, but quick decisions. They have to take the Second Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, the public safety and their own safety into account right now, and make a decision right now.”
Miller was sitting on a lakeshore bench when officers approached him, took his gun and emptied it, then ran the serial number through a police database.
Hecker said police were correct in acting to empty ammunition from the gun to ensure public safety.
“They had the obligation to determine what his intent was, what his state of mind was,” Hecker said.'
BullbullbullBULLpuckey! Contacting him? Sure. A 70 year old man eating an apple and enjoying the sunset? Unusual sight, I'll grant you. I don't know if people in Loveland tend to hate apples and sunsets. You might want to just say hi. He's got a gun? Sure, look him over and see if his behavior indicates anything untoward. IF he gets beligerent (not saying Billy was), maybe you'll do an official contact. Is he acting like a lost mental patient? Yeah, MAYBE then you want to do due diligence and check his ID. Is he agressive? Sure, disarm him if it's in procedure and you have RAS.
But....the SERIAL number???? WHAT RAS did they have to check the SERIAL NUMBER??? They don't have RAS to "check everything out". Did they also take a vial of blood for BAC and make sure he wasn't wearing black market Calvin Klien chones?? Contact could MAYBE be justified. Disarming probably not. Running the serial number hangs them with harrassment and not looking for anything "suspicious" and instead looking for anything to give them an excuse to interrogate him further. I don't give a damn if they did it "too make sure he's okay". They didn't have RAS. Our system of law does not allow them to "make sure things are okay" preemptively.
I have been defending your actions, but if you could personally respond, it would be quite helpful. You obviously know more about the case than anyone else.
The discussion is taking place at this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2690873/posts
You have to sign up to be able to post, but I find freerepublic to be a valuable resource, and I would love to have you defend yourself against the poster IrishCatholic.
HAH!The officers briefly took the gun for their safety and those in the park, the city stated.
Yesterday, I read the forum you suggested and have done a lot of thinking about it. My conclusion is that I will decline, at this time, to engage in defending my actions. Otheers on that forum have a good job of answering the poster. And, from what I have been reading on this forum and in the newspaper, many people think think that Nelson and I did well in this case. Surprisingly, some even think that I am a "great guy." I don't think I need any defense.
If you and your friends on this and other forums want to work toward similar cases coming out better in future, may I suggest that you look into the process - check on restrictions and obsticles that make pursuit of cases cost prohibitive and excessively time consuming for most ordinary people. Have a close look at court proceedures. Closely examing police training in your jurisdiction. Dig deep. Speek loud
Thanks. And, I'm glad you're engaged in this discussion.
Best wishes.
Is there a source that I can use on freerepublic to show that you refused 5K to buy your silence? It is a powerful argument against those who claim that you did it for the money.
Bah. ******* in the wind.