Wrong to allow guns in our parks

[Gray Peterson]

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jbone wrote:

I don't go to church, but I believe in GOD, so I don't see it as dropping a bomb. It’s clearfounding principle of this country. Could care less if the herald publishes, but I refuse to remain silent in the arena on a thought they may not publish my opinion.

I interrupt the “Supreme Ruler of the Universe” as GOD, GOD being the Supreme Being.

"God Bless America" is an American patriotic song.

“One nation under God” Pledge of allegiance.

“In God We Trust" Still on the back of A GW in my wallet.

If we are in fear of saying GOD, then this country is in deep @#$%?

"One Nation Under God" was added to the pledge of allegiance by an Act of Congress in 1954.

"In God We Trust" was added to our money by an Act of Congress in 1956.

"God Bless America" is an American patriotic song, but it is not the national anthem. That honor goes to Francis Scott Key's Star Spangled Banner. Most people only sing the first stanza, which doesn't mention god, but the fourth stanza does. This was written during the War of 1812.

Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli (1796-1797):

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

As Joe Friday from Dragnet (yes, I know he's a fictional character) would say: "Just the facts, ma'am".

 

[jbone]

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Gray Peterson wrote:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

As Joe Friday from Dragnet (yes, I know he's a fictional character) would say: "Just the facts, ma'am".

The treaty of Tripoli, nothing more than politics, the words meant nothing, a hollow statement needed to satisfy the Muslins who despised and were at war with the British, and now we needed safe passage as we had just declared independence (oh look muslin's of the Barbary coast we have something in common, we hate the British) and now had to provide our own safe passage through the Barbary coast.

What a horrific though that a new generation is learning the PC treaty with the Muslin's was sincere and that we are not a nation of Christians. The last numbers I've seen are ranging in the 70-80 %. of Christians in the United States of America. Treaty of Tripoli! I don't think so! I'm sure the progressives love an alternate reading.

 

[killchain]

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Gray Peterson wrote:

jbone wrote:

I don't go to church, but I believe in GOD, so I don't see it as dropping a bomb. It’s clearfounding principle of this country. Could care less if the herald publishes, but I refuse to remain silent in the arena on a thought they may not publish my opinion.

I interrupt the “Supreme Ruler of the Universe” as GOD, GOD being the Supreme Being.

"God Bless America" is an American patriotic song.

“One nation under God” Pledge of allegiance.

“In God We Trust" Still on the back of A GW in my wallet.

If we are in fear of saying GOD, then this country is in deep @#$%?

"One Nation Under God" was added to the pledge of allegiance by an Act of Congress in 1954.

"In God We Trust" was added to our money by an Act of Congress in 1956.

"God Bless America" is an American patriotic song, but it is not the national anthem. That honor goes to Francis Scott Key's Star Spangled Banner. Most people only sing the first stanza, which doesn't mention god, but the fourth stanza does. This was written during the War of 1812.

Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli (1796-1797):

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

As Joe Friday from Dragnet (yes, I know he's a fictional character) would say: "Just the facts, ma'am".

Thank you.

 

[jbone]

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killchain wrote:

Thank you.

Killchain, you’re so right. I should have thanked Gray Petersonas well. The dates are significantsince they do show a growing acceptance of God in the American culture as the country grew older and wiser. My apologies for not including these milestones in our nation’s history from the get-go, these factual dates are important for Americans to remember and are worthy of mention.

 

[killchain]

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jbone wrote:

killchain wrote:

Thank you.

Killchain, you’re so right. I should have thanked Gray Petersonas well. The dates are significantsince they do show a growing acceptance of God in the American culture as the country grew older and wiser. My apologies for not including these milestones in our nation’s history from the get-go, these factual dates are important for Americans to remember and are worthy of mention.

I have nothing against religion and people's beliefs. I'm even a pretty solid Christian. But a belief does not substitute for facts. Instead of using "God" as a pry bar for the acceptance of a law, why don't you use the laws?

That is my point. When people start saying that because their belief allows them to do something willingly, people turn their ears off. But if you say, "RCW 9.41.290 says I can bring a firearm into the park to defend myself and THAT is why it's okay," sounds a whole hell of a lot better than "It's my God given right as an American to bring a firearm into the park!"

Someone's "God" is subjective. Written laws are not.

 

[jbone]

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Oh my God:celebrate

 

[gogodawgs]

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killchain wrote:

jbone wrote:

killchain wrote:

Thank you.

Killchain, you’re so right. I should have thanked Gray Petersonas well. The dates are significantsince they do show a growing acceptance of God in the American culture as the country grew older and wiser. My apologies for not including these milestones in our nation’s history from the get-go, these factual dates are important for Americans to remember and are worthy of mention.

I have nothing against religion and people's beliefs. I'm even a pretty solid Christian. But a belief does not substitute for facts. Instead of using "God" as a pry bar for the acceptance of a law, why don't you use the laws?

That is my point. When people start saying that because their belief allows them to do something willingly, people turn their ears off. But if you say, "RCW 9.41.290 says I can bring a firearm into the park to defend myself and THAT is why it's okay," sounds a whole hell of a lot better than "It's my God given right as an American to bring a firearm into the park!"

Someone's "God" is subjective. Written laws are not.

The founders were pious individuals. They used terms like 'Laws of Nautre', 'Nature's God', 'divine Providence', 'Creator', 'Supreme Judge of the world' and 'Blessings of Liberty.' Many mistakenly take these terms and the religious practices of a few and say that they founded a Christian nation. While some of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were Protestants, many were not. Many of the men were either silent on the issue of religion or they were Diests. They chose this path intentionally to preserve religious freedom. The founders knew that the new nation would be a land of religious freedom and not a nation founded on a religion directed by a king or government. The founders were men of The Enlightenment not men of Christianity. None of the founders were atheists either.

No where in the Constitution do the words 'God', 'Jesus', 'Bible' or 'Christianity' appear. Furthermore, Article 6, Section 3 specifically excludes religion; "no religious test shall ever be required as aqualification to any office or public trust under the United States." They purposefully sought to create a nation in which the rulers did not govern from the authority of God.

 

[Trigger Dr]

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jbone wrote:

Oh my God:celebrate

OR.....Oh My RCW:celebrate

 

[jbone]

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Trigger Dr wrote:

OR.....Oh My RCW:celebrate

Trigerr Dr. Lets say Ihad included a statemnet in theopinion aswritten below, would that have meetthe RCW fact clause?

"They couldn’t possibly with any credibility take a motion to the legislature when they were deliberately disregarding state statutes (9.41.290, 9.41.300)"

 

[Trigger Dr]

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I would think you are correct.

 

[jbone]

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I’m still shocked the conjecture was centered around two SNIPS God, when the majority of opinion context was focused on facts and opinion, and on the conduct and statements of the council. After all it was an opinion piece submitted to the opinion section of the paper in rebuttal to an article. That’s OK I do value and respect everyone’s opinions submitted, and may limit my reference to God given rights only once next time in the future.

Does it meet definition of Zeusophobia or Theophobia; I don’t think so but certainly a hang up that’s detrimental to a Christian nation. Is there even a phobia for the fear of using or speaking the word? But clearly once it becomes accepted that God doesn’t grant rights and that humanity can be controlled by politics, they, the progressive politicians have a clear path with no resistance to Good bye bill of rights! Again IMO.

SNIPS of facts contained:

“Carrying a firearm in parks is about protecting self and family while equally enjoying county parks”. “Those who arm are afforded the same liberties as those who choose not to, it’s about choice”

“is stereotyping not a form of discrimination?”
“defines the rights of the people”

‘“We, the people of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this constitution”

“The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired’

“Legal gun owners already had the right of possession under state law to carry in county parks”

”They couldn’t possibly with any credibility take a motion to the legislature when they were deliberately disregarding state statutes (9.41.290, 9.41.300), and the rights of citizens under the constitution”

SNIPS of belief contained: (note: a belief from one who doesn’t even attend church)

“eager to nullify the excepted belief of GOD given rights”

“God-given inalienable rights and the liberties of an individual”

SNIPS of opinion: a bunch.

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