Freedom 1st
Regular Member
This is my response to ALOTAGLOCK post #178 as we were getting off topic. As courtesy to original poster, (sorry peterarthur) I decided to start this thread.
ALOTAGLOCK: post 178
Because it is a Bar. A gun is the last thing you need around a bunch of drunk idiots. Whether you are drinking or not it is irresponsible to have something like that around all who do. You cannot give a honest real good reason for a gun to be in a bar. I am not under any under standing I just know how the majority of the public is. I would hope someone someday realizes that a bar is no place for a firearm. It is dagerous enough with intoxicated baboons and their fists, or even beer bottles. Too many bad turns to have a gun in a bar. Note I am only saying Bar. Your local Applebee's I don't care. It is not a place where large groups of people go to get Sh!tfaced. No good would come of having a gun in a bar. Even if you are not drinking.
my reply:
I have to respectfully disagree. In a bar with a bunch of drunk idiots a gun is the first thing I would want and the last thing I would hope to use. If is is irresponsible to have a gun in a bar, I guess in your way of thinking it would be irresposible for a LEO's to carry into such an enviroment. I mean it is a place where people go to get Sh!tfaced and no good could come from having a gun in a bar with a bunch a intoxicated baboons. Even if your not drinking.
Yeah, I know how the majority of people think. I am not going to assume I could change your way of thinking, any more than you could change mine. But I think it important that some know the reasons I would carry into a bar or Walmart for that matter. I will start by asking a few questions.
Have you ever been life flighted to a trauma center with stab wounds to the chest?
Have you ever known what it feels like to fight for every breath due to a punctured lung, hole in your paracardium, and a wound to your heart?
Have you every been in the ER with your best friend ( who happens to live in the city where the trauma center is located) and have to ask him to make sure your children are taken care of and tell them you love them just before surgerycomes to get you?
Have you ever woke up in the recovery room with a tube down your throat, your wife crying, and not been able to speak to give her some comfort and tell her everything would be all right? Even if you knew that it might not be true.
Have you ever known the pain of a drainage tube the size of a garden hose pulled from your chest?
Have you ever been released from the hospital on Christmas eve?
Have you ever sat in your recliner with your family and friends present,watch your children open their presents and thank God you were there to see it?
Have you ever had to ask your brother to help you up the stairs because you were starting to cry and you didn't want to upset your children?
Have ever been life flighted to Barnes Jewish 2 more times due to paracarditus over the next 3 months?
Do you have any idea what it is like to know, you will never be the same person mentally or physically because of the things that have happened to you? And you done nothing to cause these things to happen.
I do.
I made a promise to my wife and children NOTHING like this would ever happen to THEM or me again as long as I have a breath left in my body. It is a promise I take very seriously. I have been around guns all my life. I have supported 2nd amendment issues since I have been old enough to know what they meant. But it took a life changing event for me to start practicing what I preach. I obtained my CCW and got some training as well as insisting my wife do the same, and am quite confident in my abilities. We support OC, we support anything that will make our 2nd amendment rights stronger.
I am setting here with a lump in the back of my throat, laptop in hand watching, my daughter watch cartoons. I am thankful that these thing have made me stronger mentally. Although I would not wish it upon anyone. Life is full of injustices, if it comes down to a burgler, a crazy person at Walmart, some drunk at the bar or Walmart for that matter (lol), and the life of my loved ones or my own. I plan on them and me being here tommorrow.... So I can live my life in fear as a shutin or take responibility for myself and legally carry where ever I am allowed. It may not be a good enough reason for you. It may not be a good enough reason for the majority. But it is the only one I have and the only one I need.
this started in the, " stopped in Walmart finally" thread if anyone needs some prior text.
ALOTAGLOCK: post 178
Because it is a Bar. A gun is the last thing you need around a bunch of drunk idiots. Whether you are drinking or not it is irresponsible to have something like that around all who do. You cannot give a honest real good reason for a gun to be in a bar. I am not under any under standing I just know how the majority of the public is. I would hope someone someday realizes that a bar is no place for a firearm. It is dagerous enough with intoxicated baboons and their fists, or even beer bottles. Too many bad turns to have a gun in a bar. Note I am only saying Bar. Your local Applebee's I don't care. It is not a place where large groups of people go to get Sh!tfaced. No good would come of having a gun in a bar. Even if you are not drinking.
my reply:
I have to respectfully disagree. In a bar with a bunch of drunk idiots a gun is the first thing I would want and the last thing I would hope to use. If is is irresponsible to have a gun in a bar, I guess in your way of thinking it would be irresposible for a LEO's to carry into such an enviroment. I mean it is a place where people go to get Sh!tfaced and no good could come from having a gun in a bar with a bunch a intoxicated baboons. Even if your not drinking.
Yeah, I know how the majority of people think. I am not going to assume I could change your way of thinking, any more than you could change mine. But I think it important that some know the reasons I would carry into a bar or Walmart for that matter. I will start by asking a few questions.
Have you ever been life flighted to a trauma center with stab wounds to the chest?
Have you ever known what it feels like to fight for every breath due to a punctured lung, hole in your paracardium, and a wound to your heart?
Have you every been in the ER with your best friend ( who happens to live in the city where the trauma center is located) and have to ask him to make sure your children are taken care of and tell them you love them just before surgerycomes to get you?
Have you ever woke up in the recovery room with a tube down your throat, your wife crying, and not been able to speak to give her some comfort and tell her everything would be all right? Even if you knew that it might not be true.
Have you ever known the pain of a drainage tube the size of a garden hose pulled from your chest?
Have you ever been released from the hospital on Christmas eve?
Have you ever sat in your recliner with your family and friends present,watch your children open their presents and thank God you were there to see it?
Have you ever had to ask your brother to help you up the stairs because you were starting to cry and you didn't want to upset your children?
Have ever been life flighted to Barnes Jewish 2 more times due to paracarditus over the next 3 months?
Do you have any idea what it is like to know, you will never be the same person mentally or physically because of the things that have happened to you? And you done nothing to cause these things to happen.
I do.
I made a promise to my wife and children NOTHING like this would ever happen to THEM or me again as long as I have a breath left in my body. It is a promise I take very seriously. I have been around guns all my life. I have supported 2nd amendment issues since I have been old enough to know what they meant. But it took a life changing event for me to start practicing what I preach. I obtained my CCW and got some training as well as insisting my wife do the same, and am quite confident in my abilities. We support OC, we support anything that will make our 2nd amendment rights stronger.
I am setting here with a lump in the back of my throat, laptop in hand watching, my daughter watch cartoons. I am thankful that these thing have made me stronger mentally. Although I would not wish it upon anyone. Life is full of injustices, if it comes down to a burgler, a crazy person at Walmart, some drunk at the bar or Walmart for that matter (lol), and the life of my loved ones or my own. I plan on them and me being here tommorrow.... So I can live my life in fear as a shutin or take responibility for myself and legally carry where ever I am allowed. It may not be a good enough reason for you. It may not be a good enough reason for the majority. But it is the only one I have and the only one I need.
this started in the, " stopped in Walmart finally" thread if anyone needs some prior text.
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