The NRA has never been a big proponent of open carry (at least not publicly) but they are a proponent of concealed carry and gun rights in general. Something has bothered me in the last three years though. It started with the talk of I-594. I never expected it to pass and I certainly expected a fight from the NRA. But I never really saw much from them in the form of commercials, mailers, billboards...anything. I felt like they gave up on us. And when this last disgrace of a bill passed a few months ago that takes away the rights of gun owners without due process I again heard nothing. Do they consider Washington State a lost cause? I'm afraid that I won't be renewing my membership this year. I'm instead supporting the Second Amendment Foundation and Gun Owners of America. What good is supporting an organization that fights for others but not you? Am I overreacting?
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Where is the NRA?
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Whitney
Regular Member
Rights Advocates or Not ?
I must echo the same as Gutshot, YES.
While I do not agree with everything the NRA does they do a good job advocating for gun owners rights overall.
At the risk of sounding condescending I must add the following; Do NOT depend on the NRA or any other rights organization to take up the fight in Washington.
When "We the People" stand up for our rights and DEMAND them only then will things change.
The way I see it, "We the people" are not mad enough to fight yet. or... It doesn't affect me so I don't need to worry.
We will continue to see our rights eroded away one little bit at a time until we are just like Brittan.
People will look back and wonder where was the NRA, why didn't they help us? It will all be OUR fault not the NRA, GOA or 2A foundation.
ACT People !!! Get involved in something you can do every day to change the current state. Tell your friends, to write legislators, CALL the legislative hotlines.
There is a LOT we can do but it has to be a concerted effort on all our parts.
~Whitney
I must echo the same as Gutshot, YES.
While I do not agree with everything the NRA does they do a good job advocating for gun owners rights overall.
At the risk of sounding condescending I must add the following; Do NOT depend on the NRA or any other rights organization to take up the fight in Washington.
When "We the People" stand up for our rights and DEMAND them only then will things change.
The way I see it, "We the people" are not mad enough to fight yet. or... It doesn't affect me so I don't need to worry.
We will continue to see our rights eroded away one little bit at a time until we are just like Brittan.
People will look back and wonder where was the NRA, why didn't they help us? It will all be OUR fault not the NRA, GOA or 2A foundation.
ACT People !!! Get involved in something you can do every day to change the current state. Tell your friends, to write legislators, CALL the legislative hotlines.
There is a LOT we can do but it has to be a concerted effort on all our parts.
~Whitney
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
OP it is your choice to support the organization you feel represents you. It is none of our/anyone else business how you spend your money. Further you do not need any validation for your decisions, and should take those against with a grain of salt.
FTR NRA in the past brought us almost all of the infringing laws on the federal level, and many on state levels. They supported, and had a hand in the NFA, GCA, GFSZA, in essence they created their own consumer base using gun control. Elimination of gun control would cost them billions, they NEED gun control.
Give them time, and they will be asking for donations to get rid of I-594, amazing how that works for them.
FTR NRA in the past brought us almost all of the infringing laws on the federal level, and many on state levels. They supported, and had a hand in the NFA, GCA, GFSZA, in essence they created their own consumer base using gun control. Elimination of gun control would cost them billions, they NEED gun control.
Give them time, and they will be asking for donations to get rid of I-594, amazing how that works for them.
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davidmcbeth
Banned
Just a FYI ... in 2013 in commie connecticut ... the people did come out and more than 85% of the testimony was against the anti-salty weapons law proposed. Except for the day that they had taken testimony in Newtown (31 JAN 13 if I recall) and disallowed anyone with pro-2nd amendment views to give testimony....every day that session dealing with multiple gun stealing proposed bills people did come out and say "NO".
They voted for it anyways.
IMO people should be pounding on the legislator's front door and make their objections known via this method as well as giving testimony. And keep an eye on these lizzurds ... they likely will be breaking your open meetings laws too (as they did in my state).
I pounded on my legislators' doors .... one voted for the salty bill ... one did not.
They voted for it anyways.
IMO people should be pounding on the legislator's front door and make their objections known via this method as well as giving testimony. And keep an eye on these lizzurds ... they likely will be breaking your open meetings laws too (as they did in my state).
I pounded on my legislators' doors .... one voted for the salty bill ... one did not.
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gogodawgs
Campaign Veteran
Brian Judy is the NRA man on the ground in Washington. I have testified with him in Olympia on many occasions, he does a fine job. The NRA is there every year in the halls of Olympia. I have been there when Judy has shut down the entire house with his lobbying and stopped a bill. How do I know? Because I am there as well. Don't believe me, then call Dave Workman or Alan Gottlieb at the Second Amendment and ask them...they are there too...
My point is this, where are you? It takes real people there to influence the lawmakers. Walk the walk.
As to whom to support, I support the SAF with my time and money. I have for 25 + years. I have never been a member of the NRA, your mileage may vary....
My point is this, where are you? It takes real people there to influence the lawmakers. Walk the walk.
As to whom to support, I support the SAF with my time and money. I have for 25 + years. I have never been a member of the NRA, your mileage may vary....
please, let's be quite clear...
paraphased from wiki...
Founded in 1871 to advance rifle markmanship the modern NRA continues to teach firearm competency and safety. It instructs civilians and law enforcement, youths and adults, in various programs.
additionally, the organization has directly lobbied for and against legislation since 1975 when the organization formed the NRA Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) which manages the Political Victory Fund (PVF).
remember as you talk about political activities the NRA does or doesn't participate in or succeed/failed at, you are referring about the ILA enity of the house and shall we try not to toss the other facets of the organization under the bus too!!!
tks
ipse
paraphased from wiki...
Founded in 1871 to advance rifle markmanship the modern NRA continues to teach firearm competency and safety. It instructs civilians and law enforcement, youths and adults, in various programs.
additionally, the organization has directly lobbied for and against legislation since 1975 when the organization formed the NRA Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) which manages the Political Victory Fund (PVF).
remember as you talk about political activities the NRA does or doesn't participate in or succeed/failed at, you are referring about the ILA enity of the house and shall we try not to toss the other facets of the organization under the bus too!!!
tks
ipse
who was the woman who was presented at an oly bkfast several years ago after 594 and before the spokane event as the recent past nra ila rep?
just curious since you mentioned a different campaigner.
ipse
Fallschirjmäger
Active member
The NRA has no lobbying body, they are an organization that promotes safety and marksmanship.
The NRA-ILA is where the lobbying for Legislative Action occurs. They are as separate as VW and Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT and Skoda.
The NRA-ILA is where the lobbying for Legislative Action occurs. They are as separate as VW and Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT and Skoda.
Disappointed that you misunderstood my previous post, so to provide clarification on the organization of the oldest civil rights organization in this country perhaps this will assist...
The NRA is governed by a board of 76 elected directors by 'vote of those members who have voting rights'. These elected directors choose a president, one or more vice presidents, an executive vice president (the leading spokesperson for the organization), a secretary, and treasurer from among their fellows. Two other officers are also elected by the board: the executive director of the NRA General Operations and the executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA). as like any other corporate entity, the NRA has created and controls individual 501s, PACs etc., under the specific control of different segments of the corporation.
Allan D. Cors is organizational president and Wayne LaPierre the organization's executive vice president, and functions as the chief executive officer, while Chris W. Cox is the executive director of the NRA's lobbying branch, the Institute for Legislative Action. Kyle Weaver is executive director of general operations. Kayne B. Robinson is executive director of the General Operations Division and chairman of the Whittington Center.
BTW to provide a further clarification it is the Porsche Corporation who has a chairman to oversee the corporation international activities of Porsche which controls the following: VW, which oversees Bentley, Bugatti, Audi, SEAT, Skoda, MAN trucks, Scandia.
Back to my initial point...Fallschirmjäger, et al., could you please tell me with any specificity which NRA entity the initial OP and follow on rants are talking about?
ipse
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
The only real people that matter are the voters, NRA attempts to influence the voters who then attempt to use the power of the vote. A person does not need the NRA to vote for the right person. They do have an influence on how people vote, that is what gets the politicians attention.
I don't need the NRA, no offense to you.
IMO the NRA is like a doctor who tries to save your life AFTER he shoves a stake through the heart. They absolutely blew it in Illinois, in there desire to keep carry a money making privilege.
gogodawgs
Campaign Veteran
I believe that you are reffering to Keely Hopkins. She is also a liason for the NRA ILA on the ground in Oregon and Washington. She was added a few years ago, Judy has been doing it for a couple of decades.
gogodawgs
Campaign Veteran
No offense taken. Again, I don't give my money to the NRA.
I walk the walk, I testify in the legislature, I organise and speak at rallies. I speak to the press. I am the voter that calls, emails and shows up in their office. I have shown up to a last minute committee meeting being the only member of the public there and helped shut it down.
used the term past...as she was lobbying and 'setting up' her own dog and pony show at the breakfast where i was quite disappointed in her antics...
ipse
added: according to linkedin, Ms Hopkins is a new addition to the NRA's ILA cadre...
Apparently, who i met at that breakfast gathering was a Ms Adina Ann Atwood AKA Adina Hicks an individual who was disbarred in 2004 for gross misconduct. (https://www.mywsba.org/DisciplineNotice/DisciplineDetail.aspx?dID=645)
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Fallschirjmäger
Active member
I'm a bit confused as well, to me it appeared that the original poster thought the NRA was one monolithic corporation instead a legally separate entity that didn't even exist until the mid 70s. The NRA (itself) does no lobbying, the NRA-ILA is the lobbying arm of the NRA.
One might, I guess, think of it as being the MomsDemandAction and MillionMommy'sAgainstGuns as being technically separate organizations even though everyone knows (or at least many suspect) that they are mostly funded by Soros and Bloomboy, et al..
mnrobitaille
Regular Member
To be a "Voting" member of the NRA, one must have been a member in good standing for 5+ years or a Fully-paid Life Member, & the election is coming up soon.
The NRA has always had a presence in elections, due to the NRA-ILA & grassroots efforts of local volunteers & NRA members/supporters. NRA Headquarters in Virginia knows about AG Ferguson's agenda to go after "assault weapons" & large capacity magazines & have asked the local volunteers to spearhead the efforts to defeat any efforts of passage. At almost every Sportsman's Show & Gun Show, there is an NRA presence there spreading the word.
mnrobitaille
Regular Member
The NRA (& NRA-ILA) have been fighting the proposals to infringe upon our 2nd Amendment rights, however without the local grassroots effort put forth by volunteers & support from members & non-members alike, it is a bit hard to fight against a media base that is highly biased against firearms ownership. Also how can a fight be done against the 3 counties (out of 39 that make up Washington State) that have the majority voice due to the population base? King, Pierce, & Snohomish Counties constitute 52% of the voice of the state when it comes to fighting & recent elections have shown those 3 counties are highly liberal/anti-gun.
The NRA needs the help of those who are local to put up a fight, & to let the NRA (& NRA-ILA) know of those efforts to help get the word out against any legislation/proposal that is an infringement. The NRA-ILA is always looking for volunteers & local coordinators to help.
sorry to disappoint...the NRA presence you refer to are private individuals selling NRA memberships, new & renewal, for personal gain. yes, they hawk current local shock & awe rhetoric to get passerbys to stop, tout the benefits of the organization ~ wouldn't you like to help the cause...i will even give you a discount on your .....
again, i do not wish to burst your enthusiasm, but the stark fact is, less than 10% of those NRA members eligible to vote for the directors do so. further, the entire system is finely tuned to a science, but still extremely rigged !
btw, as is my way, unless i actively participate in the system, i do not believe i have the right to criticize the system.
ipse
mnrobitaille
Regular Member
Not always is the presence going to be NRA Recruiters, in some situations the presence is an actual NRA-ILA volunteer doing a booth, or a local Friends of NRA Committee. The discounts being offered are authorized by the NRA to be offered & the personal gains, depending on how active a recruiter is can be minimal.
well for harry, his 6.2k+ gunshow recruits signed up last year at approximately $10 commission per equates to over $62k and turners outdoorsman gun shop's 17.7k+ recruits signed up equates to quite a profit center!
btw, that is minimum commission, sign up a life member and recruiter's commission rises a tad...
gains minimal...nawlll tis a tidy profit center for quite a few NRA hawkers ~ smart business move for the organization...let me give you $10 to bring in $25 to our coffers...
ipse
btw, that is minimum commission, sign up a life member and recruiter's commission rises a tad...
gains minimal...nawlll tis a tidy profit center for quite a few NRA hawkers ~ smart business move for the organization...let me give you $10 to bring in $25 to our coffers...
ipse
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OC for ME
Regular Member
Not a fan of the NRA where OC is concerned, but, I would that they are here than not here at all.